Developer meeting July 2014
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Developer meetings > July 2014 meeting notes
| Time | 13:00 UTC on Tuesday, 22 July 2014 |
| Meeting video | Youtube stream |
| Chat | Regular Dev chat |
| #moodledev |
This meeting will focus on development happening outside of Moodle HQ
The meeting will be streamed live on YouTube with chat through the regular Dev chat room and comments on Twitter.
Meeting Video
<mediaplayer>http://youtu.be/Qw9xtl9pGac</mediaplayer> Note: For an optimised view change settings to 1024p HD quality.
Key timecodes:
- Event monitor: 1:02:00
- Gradebook changes: 1:30:00
Meeting notes
Atto plugin development (Invited speaker: Justin Hunt @poodllguy)
- Developing plugins for Atto is easier than TinyMCE, it's very Moodle-like.
- Each button is a plugin.
- Looking at existing examples in Atto is a good start.
- Can use Moodle capabilities in plugins.
- Justin has created an Atto plugin template, which is easy to transform into your own plugin.
- Discussion: Atto plugin development
Development in progress at HQ
Output plan (Sam Hemelryk, Damyon Wiese)
- Adding renders for common elements and guidelines for writing renderers.
- For themers: easier to style the interface by fixing common elements.
- For devs: a toolkit to help speed up development and remove guesswork.
- Documentation will be better for everyone.
- Element library will exemplify elements.
- Feedback specification up for feedback.
- Sam Hemelryk/Output 2.8 GDM reference
- Part of a navigation overhaul.
- Available into a lot of themes.
- Incorporates the login state and menu.
- Will be responsive and aligned correctly depending on its position.
- Uses renderers and allowed review of custom menu and language menu.
- Will be used in Clean and More and easy to add to any other theme.
Event Monitor (Ankit Agarwal, Simey Lameze)
- Allows users to monitor events that occur at a certain frequency in a given time window.
- Rules can be established by the administrator and each user can then subscribe.
- When the rule is met, a message is sent to subscribed users.
- Will include a report that shows a history of monitored happenings.
- What event rules should be provided as defaults? Please contribute.
Report Builder Source API (Adrian Greeve, John Okely)
- Based on existing report builder from Totara.
- Can create reports on-the-fly.
- Based on database tables around Moodle, supplied as "sources".
- Will allow users to create reports without SQL knowledge.
- API is ready for feedback.
Gradebook changes (Martin Dougiamas)
- Work coming from a recent workshop.
- A lot of user-facing changes.
- Not more features, some features are being hidden away by admins.
- New Natural weighting aggregation.
- Improving the Grader report by:
- having dynamic scrolling,
- allowing filtering, and
- focussing on a single row or column.
- Some other bugs being tackled.
VERP for email processing (Martin Dougiamas for Andrew Nicols)
- It's about emailing into Moodle so users can reply to emails from Moodle.
- Can be used for responding to forum messages, adding private files and potentially other uses.
- Admins configure Moodle to monitor an IMAP account.
Featured plugins campaign in Moodle plugins directory (David Mudrák)
- Coming in a few days - top secret for now.
- New awards for plugins including features plugins.
Meeting chat log
| Michael de Raadt | Justin's email address is poodllsupport@gmail.com | 8:59:16 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Developer_meeting_July_2014 | 8:59:16 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Pizza is here | 9:01:11 PM |
| meetingroom | ok we are off | 9:01:55 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | just got david now | 9:02:35 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | hello | 9:02:50 PM |
| Mark McKay (UMN) | Good Morning from Minnesota | 9:03:00 PM |
| mudrd8mz | Hello everybody | 9:03:11 PM |
| danbennett | Afternoon! o/ | 9:03:12 PM |
| Justin Filip | Good morning from Waterloo, ON Canada | 9:03:12 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | Morning from NZ | 9:03:25 PM |
| Andrew Davis | I like how google plus waits for the event to start before telling you that it needs to upgrade flash | 9:03:26 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | smile | 9:03:40 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Hi from Manchester, UK | 9:03:41 PM |
| Frédéric Massart | Is the stream on Youtube yet? | 9:04:13 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | yep | 9:04:17 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Yes | 9:04:19 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | yes | 9:04:21 PM |
| Davo Smith | I had to refresh the page before it appeared | 9:04:33 PM |
| Frédéric Massart | Interesting, not there yet for me | 9:05:34 PM |
| Mark McKay (UMN) | Bob Puffer is trying to get on the chat but isn't having success. Could you invite him to the hangout | 9:05:46 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | tried dragging the bar and refreshing etc Fred? | 9:05:57 PM |
| Ruslan Kabalin | Hello from Lancaster, UK | 9:06:31 PM |
| David Monllaó | Fred: I can see it | 9:06:34 PM |
| Frédéric Massart | On https://www.youtube.com/user/moodlehq ? | 9:06:45 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cr1d9j5u32d8pbc7f50hrqqnhvs | 9:06:57 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | 9:07:04 PM | |
| Frédéric Massart | Maybe it'd be worth updating https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Developer_meeting_July_2014 then | 9:07:27 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | thats where I found it | 9:07:34 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | I see, at the bottom | 9:07:47 PM |
| Frédéric Massart | Oh, I was looking at "Meeting Room' at the top | 9:08:36 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | i'vejust made a hasty edit | 9:08:53 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Just wondering, is there going to be plugin to reimplement "full screen" mode that TinyMCE had in Atto? | 9:09:10 PM |
| Mark McKay (UMN) | Good question, Rex | 9:10:01 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | No one is working on full screen that I know of. It could be a plugin. | 9:10:11 PM |
| mudrd8mz | Justin: at my screen, I can't see the slides but the presentation software instead | 9:11:28 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Another plugin idea that came up at the Mountain Moodle Moot was to have a color picker. Lots of people didn't like like limited color palette of just 6 colors. | 9:11:29 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Is screen frozen? | 9:11:36 PM |
| danbennett | I only see the building atto screen | 9:11:48 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Yeah, I just see the first slide still | 9:11:52 PM |
| sbourget | same here | 9:11:58 PM |
| Davo Smith | ditto | 9:12:01 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | We are trying out the Poodll plugins and found that the icons don't match the Atto icons. They are darker and don't have tool tip rollovers | 9:13:16 PM |
| mudrd8mz | Yup, it was noted during the acceptance review, too. | 9:13:59 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | They could be overridden in a theme (the icons) | 9:14:02 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | But replaced with what? | 9:14:25 PM |
| mudrd8mz | IMHO default icons should just fit default Atto icons | 9:14:40 PM |
| Jason Fowler | then back rex, is the issue with the poodll icons, or the core icons ... (they aren't just for atto, but all editors now) | 9:15:25 PM |
| Jason Fowler | sorry s/then back// | 9:15:44 PM |
| mudrd8mz | it's the issue with icon pics shipped with the PoodLL Anywhere plugin, not core | 9:16:21 PM |
| Jason Fowler | okay, so then someone needs to complain to that dev ... ;) | 9:16:47 PM |
| danbennett | https://github.com/justinhunt/moodle-atto_newtemplate | 9:16:50 PM |
| danbennett | That wasx for myself but nevermind | 9:16:58 PM |
| Jason Fowler | Barbara and I spent months getting those icons designed and sorted | 9:17:09 PM |
| Jason Fowler | (more barbara than me) | 9:17:21 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Dan Poltawski is feeling nostalgic about the putty icon | 9:19:37 PM |
| Justin Filip | Haha. =) | 9:19:45 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Shifter is very cool | 9:21:35 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | thanks Justin, nice to see a plugin developers pov | 9:24:25 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | indeed - thank you! | 9:24:37 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | What's justin's twitter? | 9:25:06 PM |
| Mark McKay (UMN) | How long is the lag? | 9:25:13 PM |
| Davo Smith | @jfilip | 9:25:19 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Nm https://twitter.com/poodllguy | 9:25:21 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (reformed windows user - re putty :P) | 9:25:41 PM |
| Davo Smith | Sorry, wrong justin wink | 9:25:45 PM |
| Justin Filip | Yeah, the other Justin. =) | 9:25:46 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | My question: "We are trying out the Poodll plugins and found that the icons don't match the Atto icons. They are darker and don't have tool tip rollovers" | 9:25:59 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | It is too long for Twitter | 9:26:04 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | bloody clicky keyboards :D | 9:27:33 PM |
| danbennett | Michaels keyboard has a mute button for the keys? I want that feature! | 9:28:57 PM |
| mudrd8mz | try ctrl-alt-del | 9:29:29 PM |
| mudrd8mz | tongueout | 9:29:36 PM |
| danbennett | ah! | 9:29:42 PM |
| jetha | compile-time flag, #define MICROSWITCH CHERRY_MX_BLACK | 9:30:11 PM |
| mudrd8mz | it mutes the fan, too | 9:30:21 PM |
| David Monllaó | standardising output sounds reeeaaally good, no need to think anymore each time I have to output something | 9:31:10 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Yes | 9:31:46 PM |
| jetha | +1 to everything, yeah - i tried integrating some other frameworks in the form of themes over the weekend, and it's currently pretty bad. each theme has to specify what each page's elements look like, some standardisation is exactly what we need | 9:32:09 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Be frontend framework agnostic? Is that possible? | 9:33:13 PM |
| mudrd8mz | How does it all relate to bootstrap? | 9:34:07 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | at least mostly | 9:34:11 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | In our prototype we had 4 frameworks supported but just for some simple elements | 9:34:21 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Which other frontends are you trying out? | 9:34:51 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Bootstrap is just one framework | 9:34:55 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | We did bootstrap 2 3 zurb pureio | 9:35:16 PM |
| mudrd8mz | Aha. I thought it was sort of decided to be future base of Moodle Themes. | 9:35:25 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | it is but who knows, next year it will be too old for any designers to want to touch | 9:36:05 PM |
| mudrd8mz | pure.io looked ok last time I quickly checked, good to hear to be abstracted | 9:36:05 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Bootstrap 2 is already out of support and there is work to do to move to 3 | 9:36:18 PM |
| mudrd8mz | (ok) | 9:36:20 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Can we also be js framework agnostic? j/k | 9:36:21 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Antagonistic | 9:36:42 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | http://purecss.io ? | 9:36:47 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | In other news we will also suport php, ruby, java and python | 9:36:49 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | C# | 9:36:58 PM |
| Jason Fowler | when we stop using libraries and start using js frameworks, sure :P | 9:37:04 PM |
| Bas Brands | Bootstrap 3 already works pretty well with Moodle smile | 9:37:14 PM |
| Jason Fowler | no perl? | 9:37:15 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | not fair to troll andrew whilst hes not here | 9:37:26 PM |
| jetha | (can we support http://esolangs.org/wiki/ook! )? | 9:37:31 PM |
| Jason Fowler | bmbrands: if you rewrite a lot of the renderers ... | 9:37:35 PM |
| Jason Fowler | Ook! | 9:37:38 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | bmbrands, but with a lot of work, right? | 9:37:38 PM |
| Jason Fowler | I would love ook | 9:37:48 PM |
| John Okely | And whitespace? | 9:38:01 PM |
| Bas Brands | The renderer rewrites might seem big.. but the actual code changes in the renderers are quite small. | 9:38:58 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Any of those can be overridden or added to by plugins? | 9:39:08 PM |
| Bas Brands | RTL languages is a blocker now | 9:39:13 PM |
| jetha | bmbrands: how so? | 9:39:19 PM |
| mudrd8mz | This looks similar to what $OUTPUT already had for 2.0. Can we highlight what's different with this approach? | 9:39:28 PM |
| Bas Brands | Bootstrap 3 still doesn’t fully support RTL | 9:39:39 PM |
| jetha | ahh | 9:39:46 PM |
| nadavkav | bmbrands, what do you mean about the RTL blocker? | 9:40:18 PM |
| nadavkav | haa | 9:40:30 PM |
| jetha | bmbrands: there seems to be some community efforts in that direction https://github.com/morteza/bootstrap-rtl | 9:40:38 PM |
| nadavkav | hope to see it integrated soon smile | 9:40:46 PM |
| nadavkav | I just got some fixes for theme/bootstrap and theme/elegance I need to send you | 9:41:25 PM |
| Bas Brands | @nadavkav great! send them over smile | 9:41:50 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | We can autoloader renderers in a namespace in master now already | 9:42:07 PM |
| nadavkav | immediately after the session end smile | 9:42:51 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | have said it before but worth repeating that i'm glad the documentation/social side of it is a big part | 9:42:51 PM |
| mudrd8mz | 1 | 9:43:02 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | MDL-41663 | 9:43:19 PM |
| Moodle Bot | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-41663 - Allow renderers and renderables in a namespace to be auto loaded., V: 3, W: 10, Type: Improvement, Assignee: Damyon Wiese, Priority: Major, Status: Closed | 9:43:19 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | What link is Sam viewing? It doesn't appear to be the same as the link on the meeting notes page, which is: https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Render_library_specification | 9:45:28 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/User:Sam_Hemelryk/Output_2.8_GDM_reference#Relevant_links | 9:45:40 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Thanks | 9:45:59 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | Haha was that a bit long was it? | 9:49:32 PM |
| mudrd8mz | I have two questions / comments but can wait | 9:49:38 PM |
| danbennett | Oh thats called a hamburger. OK. I call it a thingy. Learn something new! | 9:53:06 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Indeed it is | 9:53:27 PM |
| Michael de Raadt | Mmmm. Hamburger. | 9:53:42 PM |
| mudrd8mz | let's invent pizza widget | 9:53:49 PM |
| danbennett | Yes! | 9:53:56 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Could also be chips | 9:54:10 PM |
| mudrd8mz | Although it might be patented by MS Excel already | 9:54:11 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | I am inventing one right now | 9:54:21 PM |
| mudrd8mz | (I know, I saw you tongueout) | 9:54:33 PM |
| Justin Filip | I don't think we can see what he's showing right now. | 9:55:35 PM |
| Justin Filip | I just see a slide? | 9:55:38 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | yep | 9:55:43 PM |
| mudrd8mz | yup, the "code!" slide | 9:55:50 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | mmm custard menu | 9:56:23 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Reopen | 9:56:28 PM |
| Justin Filip | NM, weird problem on my side, my video feed got "stuck" | 9:56:45 PM |
| Bas Brands | How does this fit in the element library? shouldn’t it be a moodle_navbar ? | 9:57:13 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | What element library? :D | 9:57:31 PM |
| Bas Brands | and use it’s own JS etc? | 9:57:31 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | It will need redoing | 9:57:33 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | But the element library can't hold things that p | 9:57:46 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Usually hamburger icons either shift to the left side if on mobile, but on larger screens it is on right side.. How does this handle responsive design? Can you really hard code the side? | 9:57:54 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Up | 9:57:58 PM |
| danbennett | Much hamburger | 9:59:11 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | hehe | 9:59:25 PM |
| nadavkav | Hope you are considering the RTL challenges into that menu smile | 9:59:49 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | 2 clicks to login? | 10:00:05 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Okay, nm | 10:00:36 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | yeah that was "before" aka now | 10:00:50 PM |
| danbennett | seemless! | 10:01:16 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Okay, the demo is great. Really makes more sense now. Thanks. | 10:01:36 PM |
| nadavkav | Yeeee !!! | 10:01:51 PM |
| nadavkav | sweet | 10:01:57 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | we should always do demos first, I think smile | 10:02:07 PM |
| danbennett | User Menu in and Navigation menu out? :P :D | 10:02:18 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (good luck, backend team :P) | 10:02:30 PM |
| Simon Coggins | would be great if plugins could enqueue items | 10:02:30 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | over time, dan, yeah | 10:02:36 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Yeah, ability to specify custom menu items depending on context as well | 10:03:47 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | sweet | 10:03:48 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | killer demo | 10:03:54 PM |
| danbennett | Thats so much clearer. And it didn't log you out? Yay! Please tell me that happens by default now :P | 10:03:56 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | it was login-as which logged you out wasn't it? | 10:04:32 PM |
| Simon Coggins | Really nice, thanks! | 10:04:36 PM |
| danbennett | Ah yeah it was good point Dan | 10:04:42 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Login-as doesn't log you out anymore? | 10:04:46 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | it does i'm sure it does! | 10:04:53 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | don't spread rumours | 10:04:57 PM |
| danbennett | Yeah it does in the current 2.8 branch. Annoys me no end lol | 10:05:17 PM |
| jetha | reverting from login-as-user logs you out as before | 10:05:17 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | It was put in for security but its super annoying | 10:05:18 PM |
| jetha | reverting from login-as-role does not | 10:05:23 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | There is a security reason for the logout | 10:05:30 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | I can't remember what it is | 10:05:47 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Someone really needs to find a better way to solve that … | 10:05:48 PM |
| mudrd8mz | I do rememebr | 10:05:57 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | sessions hanging around or something | 10:06:00 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Petr provided a patch to remove the log out in tracker, but he advised against it | 10:06:06 PM |
| meetingroom | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q59sRMTzKjAd6Tm8fJb6KdfjNA_tVXc-7PacpbiRDfU/edit | 10:06:06 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | MDL-24120 | 10:06:33 PM |
| Moodle Bot | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-24120 - Allow admin to remain logged in after login as procedure, V: 118, W: 52, Type: Improvement, Assignee: moodle.com, Priority: Major, Status: Reopened | 10:06:33 PM |
| danbennett | 118 votes lol | 10:06:50 PM |
| mudrd8mz | Admin logs in as Alice and Alice executes JS that does back to admin role and then some nasty action. Shortly, whatever you can do via browser, the JS can do too. So the session must be killed and relogin happen | 10:07:22 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Should that list disabled plugins in the drop down? | 10:07:45 PM |
| jetha | @mudrd8mz: that second action, after admin logs in as alice - is that admin doing that, or alice? | 10:08:45 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | http://prototype.moodle.net/eventmonitor/ | 10:09:06 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | I think I mentioned this in the Forum, but why is this designed to be from the user perspective? Are you really expecting users to define rules for each of their courses? Shouldn't it be from the site admin side to specify what events they think are useful and allow users to opt-in/out? Seems way too complicated for users to setup. It is almost like email filters, but something that you need to do for every course. | 10:09:07 PM |
| mudrd8mz | it's alice. but the first thing the JS would do is to switch back | 10:09:29 PM |
| mudrd8mz | that's how I naively understood it, I may be wrong | 10:09:50 PM |
| jetha | i think it would be valuable for us to mock up what that would look like | 10:09:52 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | its documented in that issue | 10:10:05 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | You don't need to let users use it rex | 10:10:13 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (Talking about the xss problem with login-as logout) | 10:10:31 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | I see this as just one or many possible analytics plugins | 10:10:39 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | "one of many" | 10:10:46 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | This plus new notifications in current mobile app -> interesting things | 10:13:09 PM |
| mudrd8mz | Can any user subscribe to any event? | 10:13:13 PM |
| mudrd8mz | ok | 10:13:29 PM |
| danbennett | So in theory, it can alert me if a user turns off automated backups? | 10:13:37 PM |
| mudrd8mz | cool, thanks | 10:13:41 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | So this is opt-in, not opt-out? | 10:13:58 PM |
| nadavkav | Jetha, I have developed a generic renderer for any theme that display a popup quick menu everywhere their is a user's image: http://tinypic.com/r/wkk0nk/8 . What do you think about it? | 10:14:03 PM |
| mudrd8mz | mudrd8mz thinking of things like "Admin clicked forgotten password link" | 10:14:07 PM |
| danbennett | Looks good! | 10:14:13 PM |
| mudrd8mz | Well ... | 10:14:52 PM |
| mudrd8mz | nvm | 10:15:00 PM |
| mudrd8mz | yeah | 10:15:09 PM |
| danbennett | Awesome! I think this can be very handy for admins with crucial admin settings | 10:15:16 PM |
| danbennett | (as well as the activities) | 10:15:22 PM |
| nadavkav | can it monitor "too many security failed login exceptions" ? | 10:15:31 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Will there be an event when a rule is created? | 10:15:48 PM |
| Marina Glancy | And it will hopefully motivate devs to trigger events more often | 10:15:55 PM |
| danbennett | No no I mean jujst the sit admins to subscribe to them smile | 10:16:06 PM |
| danbennett | just* | 10:16:06 PM |
| meetingroom | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ANDiY9mTrhaozSO07WmITJnGmscPxLhWemEXr0W7uV8/edit# | 10:16:09 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | yes more events, and it also lets you test events | 10:16:29 PM |
| mudrd8mz | nadavkav: that's it, I am bit worried about eventual personal data leak or better, letting the hacker know that a good moment for their social engineering just came | 10:16:37 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | nadavkav: I think we already have a system that monitors failed logins etc, and sends reports to admin | 10:16:51 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Huh -the password is not test | 10:17:25 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | :D | 10:17:31 PM |
| mudrd8mz | big grin | 10:17:37 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | lol | 10:17:46 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | someone hasn't learnt how to disable password policy in config.php :P | 10:17:51 PM |
| nadavkav | I was considering various security exception events. not just failed logins (which is the first example that come to mind) | 10:18:00 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | rexlorenzo@gmail.com: Yup there should be events for all the major actions, like creating rules/subscriptions/ etc | 10:18:22 PM |
| jetha | john, you didn't integrate my css ;_; | 10:18:43 PM |
| Marina Glancy | There is a forum thread asking which events you'd like to monitor | 10:19:29 PM |
| Marina Glancy | https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=261660 | 10:20:04 PM |
| mudrd8mz | Marina: "Site installed and awaiting for admin user setup" smile | 10:20:17 PM |
| danbennett | danbennett posts *all of them* :p | 10:20:19 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | What is the link to the demo site? | 10:22:20 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | prototype.moodle.net | 10:22:37 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Of course: http://prototype.moodle.net/reportbuilder/ | 10:22:47 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Can you join on entries from the Moodle logs? | 10:23:18 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Events is about the live data stream. This API is the other half, how to extract state data cleanly from the database. | 10:23:19 PM |
| John Okely | Any comments or suggestions https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=261049 | 10:24:31 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Rex: for old site logs table only at this stage | 10:25:34 PM |
| Simon Coggins | there is one already | 10:25:45 PM |
| Simon Coggins | for the old logs | 10:25:51 PM |
| Simon Coggins | by the way we are working on some new features at the moment - user defined aggregation and graphical reports | 10:27:09 PM |
| Simon Coggins | we can upstream them once the initial version is integrated | 10:27:42 PM |
| jetha | ooo, graphical reports? | 10:27:57 PM |
| jetha | i like graphics. | 10:28:01 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Yes once we have this in core we can all build a lot on top | 10:32:06 PM |
| Simon Coggins | Thanks guys, looks good smile | 10:33:22 PM |
| nadavkav | It seems more complicated than the block/configurable_reports which we are using a lot | 10:33:36 PM |
| John Okely | Thanks Simon! | 10:33:44 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Epic: https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-44673 | 10:34:40 PM |
| John Okely | Nadav: configurable reports was considered during planning, but it was found too developer focused. It's a really good plugin though! | 10:34:40 PM |
| Moodle Bot | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-44673 - Gradebook push from HQ in 2014, V: 10, W: 33, Type: Epic, Assignee: moodle.com, Priority: Critical, Status: Open | 10:34:41 PM |
| nadavkav | john, I agree. | 10:35:05 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Check out the scrolling improvements at: https://github.com/alroman/moodle/tree/gradereport-table | 10:35:44 PM |
| Michael de Raadt | Once the sources are in place in core, the potential for users will be really complete. | 10:36:01 PM |
| Juan Leyva | well, my plan is to create a tool for migrating reports created using configurable reports to the new tool | 10:36:01 PM |
| John Okely | That would be great, Juan | 10:36:40 PM |
| nadavkav | Juan, +1 | 10:36:53 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Martin: do we know where those other weightings came from?? | 10:38:06 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | s/weightings/aggregations | 10:38:20 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | https://github.com/alroman/moodle/tree/gradereport-table | 10:39:09 PM |
| danbennett | Nice! | 10:39:24 PM |
| nadavkav | this should also be implemented in assign grading page | 10:39:31 PM |
| nadavkav | or at least some kind of full screen mode button | 10:39:53 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Well, if you checkout the scrolling improvements, it is a full screen mode, if you scroll far enough | 10:40:19 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Dan Poltawski chuckles at gradebook bugs which have been around for a long time | 10:40:50 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | So I heard that this week is pet projects week. Is that right? What projects are in the works now? | 10:41:01 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | They were listed in dev chat a few hours ago | 10:41:43 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Grader report gif: | 10:42:01 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | rex: https://moodle.org/local/chatlogs/index.php?conversationid=15915#c556610 | 10:42:30 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | (See chat logs) | 10:42:40 PM |
| nadavkav | Will I be able to send a "mod/questionnaire" activity to a user? | 10:43:11 PM |
| nadavkav | and not have him/her login to answer it | 10:43:38 PM |
| Michael de Raadt | Possibly. The tricky bit will be interpreting the message content to get the information out of it. | 10:44:19 PM |
| nadavkav | interesting | 10:44:34 PM |
| mudrd8mz | On that note, there is a plugin to released soon - Emailed files | 10:44:39 PM |
| danbennett | This is very nice. | 10:45:40 PM |
| nadavkav | cool | 10:45:45 PM |
| nadavkav | http://simplehtmldom.sourceforge.net/ | 10:46:20 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Does it clean up email it processes? | 10:47:41 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Like deletes them? | 10:47:48 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | I still think this is a 'risky' thing - i.e. some sites might not want to allow it. If you've got a https-secred site those 'private' details are moving through any intermediary mailserver | 10:48:22 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | many people do secret things though email wink | 10:49:23 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Nice | 10:49:25 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | heh, you repeated it | 10:49:30 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Damyon: its different accepting a file on a server through a mailserver | 10:49:40 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | So in forum posts you have 15 mins to edit it | 10:49:42 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | How does that work with this? Do you still have 15 mins to edit once you post via email? | 10:49:55 PM |
| danbennett | I think the biggest one is the files being uploaded which can be a bit sketchy, but I guess its up to that user thats sending it and it goes to their files anyway | 10:50:32 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Sure rex | 10:50:37 PM |
| danbennett | I know a few of our clients would love the feautre though so yay! 2.8! woo! | 10:51:14 PM |
| nadavkav | please add a search filter by type, please smile | 10:51:19 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Should we offer a cash prize for featured plugins? | 10:51:45 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Where do we send bribes? | 10:52:02 PM |
| Bas Brands | At least a Moodle goody smile | 10:52:07 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | nice cliffhanger :D | 10:52:23 PM |
| Michael de Raadt | Cash money?! Have you seen that Progress Bar? | 10:52:23 PM |
| John Okely | Damyon, I think the atto hr plugin is in the running already | 10:52:32 PM |
| danbennett | moodler: hmm thats a thought! May need to ask partners though lol | 10:52:35 PM |
| Bas Brands | Who will vote for them? | 10:52:48 PM |
| jetha | man, that progress bar. top shelf! | 10:52:50 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | Good night everyone | 10:53:28 PM |
| Damyon Wiese | Thanks | 10:53:33 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | gn | 10:53:38 PM |
| Michael de Raadt | Night, all! | 10:53:43 PM |
| danbennett | 4pm here. Now to do more work... heh | 10:53:58 PM |
| Davo Smith | night | 10:54:01 PM |
| danbennett | Cya all! smile | 10:54:03 PM |
| nadavkav | Beautiful list! Thanks smile | 10:54:06 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | cheers | 10:54:07 PM |
| Andrew Davis | good night folks smile | 10:54:41 PM |
| mudrd8mz | bmbrands: for now, they are selected by HQ. We will involve community soon once the whole thing is set up and well established | 10:54:51 PM |
| meetingroom | Cheers all ciao! | 10:54:53 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | Cya all ! | 10:55:50 PM |
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