Developer meeting April 2013
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| Time | 13:00 UTC on Tuesday, 23 April 2013 |
| Meeting room | Moodle YouTube channel |
| Chat | Regular Dev chat |
| #moodledev |
In this meeting we focused on the impending Major release.
Meeting video
<mediaplayer>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTQyyE7dod4</mediaplayer>
Meeting notes
News from Moodle HQ (Martin Dougiamas)
- New HQ teams are being formed: Front-end, back-end, sites
- New focus and priorities in teams
Moodle 2.5
New features page
- Complements release notes
- Updated for every release
- Screenshots and quick overview
- The page to link to when sharing upcoming features
Open Badges (Simon Coggins and Yuliya Bozhko)
- Initiative from Mozilla for achievements across the Web
- Awards a badge that is an image but also a verifiable certificate
- Moodle can award badges and show badges from other sites
- Test site at
openbadgestotara.elearning.catalyst.net.nzNow decommissioned, use demo.moodle.net instead. - Badges can be awarded at site-wide or course levels
- Create a badge in a course from the Admin menu and provide an image
- Awarded based on completion of course or activity
- Awards can be shared and connected to the Mozilla Backpack
- Mahara may become a Backpack provider in future
Bootstrap themes (Martin Dougiamas)
- Framework for responsive sites
- Now a new base theme for a new family of themes
- Will replace current base themes in future
- Not be the default theme in Moodle yet
Installation of new plugins from moodle.org (David Mudrak)
- Admin tool in Moodle
- Plugins found in the Directory can be downloaded, validated and installed
- Downloaded zip files can be installed and uninstalled from within Moodle without file access
Short forms (Ruslan Kabalin and Frédéric Massart)
- Forms are broken into sections that can collapse
- Fieldsets with required fields, non-validating fields and forced open
- Developers should review all their forms to see that they still make sense
- Editor can be simplified to hide editor toolbars
Consistent course listing display (Marina Glancy)
- Course listings are now rendered consistently
- Themes will be affected by this, but theming should be more consistent in the future
jQuery and jQuery UI supported in add-ons (Petr Škoda)
- JQuery library now available for plugins
- Not use by core
Shifting our YUI (Andrew Nicols)
- Javascript/Shifter
- Should help to improve documentation and allow unit tests
- JS can be linted for possible errors
Behat tests (David Monllaó)
- Acceptance testing
- Human readable test instructions
- Tests can be run automatically in a browser
- About 100 QA tests have been now automated (more to come) https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDLQA-5249
- Some assistance for test writers is provided by a Developer tool in Moodle 2.5
- Behat screenshotting tool
Assignment changes in 2.5 (Damyon Wiese)
- Assignment code now validates with code checker
- More unit tests have been added
- Docs have been updated
- New feature: submission history
- Reattempts (manual or automatic)
Mobile app (Juan Leyva)
- New version released with a more versions planned every two months
- App can be styled
- Push notifications to come
GSoC (Michael de Raadt)
- Moodle has been accepted as a participating organisation
- Students are starting to submit applications to participate with Moodle
- Students may be found in forums now and in the future
Attendees
Adrian Greeve, Amy Groshek, Andrew Nicols, Ankit Agarwal, Anthony Borrow, Aparup Banerjee, Barbara Ramiro, Bas Brands, Damyon Wiese, Dan Poltawski, Daniele Cordella, Darryl Pogue, David Monllaó, David Mudrak, Davo Smith, Eloy Lafuente, Frédéric Massart, Gareth J Barnard, Helen Foster, Howard Miller, Jason Fowler, Jason Hardin, Jenny Gray, Jérôme Mouneyrac, Juan Leyva, Justin Filip, Marina Glancy, Mark Nelson, Martin Dougiamas, Mary Cooch, Mary Evans, Michael Blake, Michael de Raadt, Mike Churchward, Peter Bulmer, Petr Skoda, Rajesh Taneja, Rex Lorenzo, Sam Hemelryk, Sam Marshall, Tim Hunt, Watermark Neilsen, Yuliya Bozhko... (plus many more via YouTube and Twitter)
Meeting chat log
| Moodle HQ | ok we are going live | 9:01:28 PM |
| Moodle HQ | can you see us ok? | 9:01:32 PM |
| mary | yes | 9:01:47 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Yup | 9:01:47 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | roger that | 9:01:49 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | yes | 9:01:49 PM |
| Juan Leyva | yes | 9:01:59 PM |
| Davo Smith | yes | 9:02:04 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Hello all | 9:02:14 PM |
| David Mudrák | I'm lost | 9:02:17 PM |
| David Mudrák | shouldn't get an invatation to the hangout? | 9:02:31 PM |
| Jason Fowler | its working here | 9:02:38 PM |
| Juan Leyva | juanleyvadelgado@gmail.com | 9:02:56 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | the youtube stream is really good here | 9:03:36 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | yeah no lag and clear | 9:03:55 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | anyone get youtube on ipad? | 9:04:09 PM |
| Jason Fowler | and it.crashed... | 9:04:17 PM |
| Helen Foster | is michaeld writing notes? | 9:04:29 PM |
| Jason Fowler | trying on android | 9:04:29 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | hello | 9:05:13 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Hi | 9:05:14 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | Hello all | 9:05:14 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | Hello | 9:05:14 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | Hiya | 9:05:15 PM |
| Davo Smith | Hello | 9:05:15 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Hi | 9:05:16 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | lo | 9:05:17 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | hi | 9:05:18 PM |
| bmbrands | hi there | 9:05:18 PM |
| Juan Leyva | hello | 9:05:19 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | hi | 9:05:20 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | bye | 9:05:23 PM |
| David Mudrák | hi | 9:05:26 PM |
| Jenny Gray | hello | 9:05:29 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | We have some other folks from Moodlerooms watching as well | 9:05:46 PM |
| Mark Nelson | hi | 9:05:48 PM |
| mary | hello! | 9:05:49 PM |
| bmbrands | hi | 9:05:56 PM |
| Jason Fowler | can't get it working again | 9:06:34 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Moodle HQ is a jelly-fish. Suddeny it all makes sense. | 9:07:16 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | lol | 9:08:44 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | heh | 9:08:47 PM |
| bmbrands | 9:08:48 PM | |
| Gareth J Barnard | :D | 9:08:51 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Nice bit of recursion in the bottom right there | 9:08:53 PM |
| Mary Evans | is there no Hangout? | 9:09:23 PM |
| Tim Hunt | 9:09:29 PM | |
| Sam Hemelryk | Sorry about that not getting there in the end | 9:12:05 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Martin: A couple of people asking in comments about how to get invites to the hangout. May be worth re-mentioning #moodledev and here again | 9:12:28 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | David, hope you got your google hangout email | 9:14:00 PM |
| David Mudrák | no | 9:14:17 PM |
| David Mudrák | that's why I asked for it. I expect MD will add/remove people as needed to keep traffic low | 9:15:04 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | clearly | 9:15:07 PM |
| bmbrands | yes | 9:15:09 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Yes | 9:15:12 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | yes | 9:15:12 PM |
| mary | yes | 9:15:14 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | here | 9:15:25 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (wow i'm seemingly lagging behind by quite a way) | 9:15:28 PM |
| Moodle HQ | waves | 9:15:36 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | yeah me too as well | 9:15:39 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | Hi Yuliya | 9:15:49 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Moodle Meetings: Few people asking about where chat is | 9:16:01 PM |
| Marina Glancy | Привет Ð®Ð»Ñ | 9:16:02 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | yep | 9:16:32 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (hehe I am responding to stuff which seemingly happened ages ago) | 9:16:44 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Dan, reload the you-tube page? | 9:17:03 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | then i'll miss some! | 9:17:12 PM |
| Moodle HQ | David, invited you again | 9:17:14 PM |
| David Mudrák | what email did you use? Got nothing | 9:17:36 PM |
| Mark Nelson | Have you tried to click on the 'Live' wording on the video? | 9:17:38 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | just tried it | 9:17:45 PM |
| Moodle HQ | what would you like David? | 9:17:50 PM |
| Tim Hunt | open2study, the Australian MOOC platform, has crazy numbers of badges for really trivial things. | 9:18:32 PM |
| Tim Hunt | LOL | 9:19:24 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | i'm just seeing simon doing the demo now. How far behind am I? | 9:19:27 PM |
| Tim Hunt | How long was that URL? | 9:19:28 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | can't wait for openbadges on moodle.org | 9:19:44 PM |
| Moodle HQ | Yes, helen you should start plannig some | 9:19:58 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | it just switched to the moodlesite for me 10 secs ago | 9:20:00 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | Dan P: a few seconds assuming am not lagging myself | 9:20:05 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | thanks | 9:20:20 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | this is the url: http://openbadgestotara.elearning.catalyst.net.nz/ | 9:20:21 PM |
| Moodle HQ | for us simon just started talking about site/course badges | 9:20:28 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | I wonder if MoodleRooms is working on a Common Core -> OpenBadges ecosystem | 9:20:33 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Rex" looks like it | 9:20:45 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/OpenBadges_User_Documentation - documentation that has links to our test site with accounts you can use to try out badges | 9:21:35 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | @aborrow We are not working on that atm | 9:21:38 PM |
| Moodle HQ | 66 viewers on Youtube | 9:21:57 PM |
| Jason Fowler | @@ | 9:22:02 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | 41 in here | 9:22:14 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | 10 of those are mine | 9:22:17 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | lol | 9:22:40 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Is there a login we can use to access the demo site? | 9:24:37 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Rex: pretty sure it was posted on the forums | 9:25:00 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | it's in the docs | 9:25:00 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | looking | 9:25:01 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Got it | 9:25:12 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Rex: you can also download and install 2.5 | 9:25:27 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | But you need to setup an open badge API | 9:26:23 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Just seen the time at the top of Simon's laptop | 9:26:26 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Oh.. I can just use the default settings I guess | 9:26:43 PM |
| mary | wow yes Wed 1.25 am | 9:26:57 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | yeah, 1am here | 9:26:59 PM |
| mary | UK/Europe has the best time | 9:27:12 PM |
| Moodle HQ | Thanks Kiwis | 9:27:15 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | youtube live streams can be played back again right | 9:28:21 PM |
| Mark Nelson | Rex: You can create badges without syncing them with Mozilla. | 9:28:22 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | hope you didn't have to come home from moodle moot party early | 9:28:36 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | nope, we have another person from out team presenting there | 9:29:05 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | FYI Stacey Walker @ Catalyst Europe is working on a Persona auth integration for moodle | 9:30:39 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | does this integrate with oauth for moodle? | 9:30:52 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | I don't think so | 9:31:41 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | its not really the same | 9:31:55 PM |
| bmbrands | would be cool to have users compete for a badge | 9:31:57 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | bmbrands, like employee of the month stype thing? | 9:32:26 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | Dan P: what do you mean? | 9:32:44 PM |
| bmbrands | @a.nicols: yes why not | 9:33:02 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | And "Top five contributors" type stuff | 9:33:31 PM |
| Jenny Gray | could be useful for reputation management stuff - a bit like our useful moodlers group too | 9:34:06 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | great work! | 9:34:16 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | thanks | 9:34:32 PM |
| mary | thanks Yuliya | 9:34:44 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | Do you loose course badges if a course is deleted? | 9:35:15 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | isnt the badges like a permanent thing? can they be taken away? | 9:35:43 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | no, you don't, all issued badges belong to users | 9:35:48 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | does it have to be synced/sent to external site? | 9:36:06 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | (regularly) | 9:36:14 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | no, you don't have to use anything if you don't want them in Mozilla backpack | 9:36:40 PM |
| bmbrands | suddenly I feel like having a pizza | 9:36:51 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Funny that | 9:37:06 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | thanks yuliya | 9:37:20 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | How difficult is it to maintain 2 core themes now? Is the goal to eventually move to bootstrap as the single core theme? | 9:37:27 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Yes | 9:37:36 PM |
| Yuliya Bozhko | Someone asking on Twitter: If a course disappears is the badge revoked? Answer: No, there is no such thing as revocation of badges at the moment. I think Mozilla team is working on it, but currently an issued badge cannot be revoked. | 9:40:20 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | Is bootstrap being used for the layouts as well? EG: the columns for blocks, etc | 9:40:22 PM |
| bmbrands | watermark: yes using bootstrap grids | 9:40:46 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Yuliya, will the badge still be verified as being valid? | 9:41:03 PM |
| bmbrands | Bootstrap can be used for plugin development too. | 9:41:26 PM |
| Amy Groshek | Thanks everyone for your hard work on bootstrap! | 9:41:34 PM |
| bmbrands | Not in the hangout | 9:41:40 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | When will the folder name 'bootstrap' be changed to 'bootstrapbase'? | 9:41:49 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | @bmbrands what do you mean in regards to plugin dev? | 9:41:57 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Should we bring up the less/sass issue? | 9:41:58 PM |
| Jason Hardin | will the core renderers be rewritten to match bootstrap? | 9:42:02 PM |
| Jason Hardin | or will they continue to be overridden by bootstrap? | 9:42:11 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Thanks Martin | 9:42:16 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-38160 | 9:42:25 PM |
| bmbrands | I'll be presenting about "beyond bootstrap" on the iMoot | 9:42:38 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Very much like YUI shifter in terms of the new dev workflow | 9:43:03 PM |
| Tim Hunt | JAson, the way it was summarised to me: where there are sensible changes, like adding a consistent class name to all cancel buttons, they will be done in core. WHere it is a bit bootstrap-specific then it will not be done in core. | 9:43:13 PM |
| Amy Groshek | @Rex has a good point; there is a less vs sass discussion going on there | 9:43:21 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | cue questions about what Shifter is ;) | 9:43:28 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | There is a FireBug addon called FireLess that can be used for debugging Less. | 9:43:42 PM |
| Jason Hardin | will the be used for icons? | 9:44:01 PM |
| mary | who are just out of the picture in the Moodle meeting room? | 9:44:06 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Jason, that one is insane, I think. | 9:44:12 PM |
| Jason Hardin | meaning moving towards the use of css icons? | 9:44:19 PM |
| bmbrands | Bootswatches are worth mentioning too | 9:44:31 PM |
| Amy Groshek | Yes, what is the timeline for bootswatch import? | 9:44:50 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | can a plugin that uses bootstrap+less be used with a theme that isn't based on bootstrap? | 9:44:57 PM |
| bmbrands | variables and css | 9:45:07 PM |
| bmbrands | very easy to us | 9:45:20 PM |
| mary | ah thanks | 9:45:31 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | Aparup Yes, but it wouldn't get the bootstrap styling | 9:45:38 PM |
| bmbrands | aparup: depends, if you want to use javascript elements no. | 9:45:55 PM |
| Marina Glancy | afaik less has to be compiled anyway | 9:46:06 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | I think you can used Less to generate any css either pre-compiled or client side with JS on the fly. | 9:46:26 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | ie: new plugin with styles.css using less + moodle site with old theme that isn't based on bootstrap. | 9:46:58 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | ah thanks Bas | 9:47:03 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Will the new moodle.org (theme) be based on the new bootstrap theme? | 9:47:06 PM |
| Amy Groshek | Yes, .less files are not loaded live by the theme. It's more a matter of the development workflow. | 9:47:08 PM |
| Anatai | both less and scss need to be compiled to css, but less can also be interpreted client side (slower) for testing | 9:47:09 PM |
| Amy Groshek | You can do it client side but that's not a good idea for a live site. | 9:47:22 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | not yet | 9:48:05 PM |
| bmbrands | No only pizaa | 9:48:06 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | no screen | 9:48:06 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | yup | 9:48:07 PM |
| Tim Hunt | I can see Martin eating Pizza | 9:48:10 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | got it | 9:48:10 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | But you can tinker client side with FireLess and then use 'recess' when happy for production. | 9:48:12 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Git it now. | 9:48:13 PM |
| bmbrands | ah yes | 9:48:13 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | yep | 9:48:20 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | yes | 9:48:21 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | @Bas Is there still more testing to do on Bootstrap in 2.5? | 9:48:56 PM |
| mary | yes | 9:48:58 PM |
| Amy Groshek | I'm not sure that tinkering is necessary when you can set recess to watch all of your less files for changes and automatically recompile your css. | 9:49:06 PM |
| Justin Filip | Again, similar to Shifter, as Andrew mentioned earlier. =) | 9:49:21 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | @Amy but with FireLess you can debug client side to understand where to make the changes. | 9:49:50 PM |
| bmbrands | gjbarnard: not too much, but testing with addon plugins would be interesting | 9:50:11 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | just notices G+ watermark on video | 9:50:12 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | @Bas Ta, I can make a start with the course format's I'm responsible for, | 9:50:42 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | :D | 9:51:26 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | this is awesome | 9:51:32 PM |
| bmbrands | That would be very helpful, I think bootstrap would be very interesting for creating new courseformat too using bootstrap javascript | 9:51:49 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | @Bas Interesting concept - what sort of layout do you have in mind? | 9:52:30 PM |
| Amy Groshek | Just discovered the "Large player" button on the youtube stream (hides youtube chat and makes video larger) | 9:52:31 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | What sever setup is required for this plugin installation to work over and above what's already required by Moodle? | 9:52:34 PM |
| Tim Hunt | If malicious functions are used, I hope this woudl not get into teh plugins DB! | 9:52:38 PM |
| Jenny Gray | install adins: does it warn or could you set it to fail if the plugin isn't MATURITY_STABLE? | 9:52:52 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | marxjohnson00: shouldn't be anything unusual | 9:52:59 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (same as repsoitory plugins etc) | 9:53:06 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | If you delete a plugin, does it now delete the files? Before Moodle would tell you that you need to delete the files yourself | 9:53:11 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | @timhunt - yes I would like to see some type of warning/notice about installing plugins | 9:53:11 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | Would this installer find dependencies? | 9:53:21 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | @Bas PMme with idea's and I'd be glad to help with a new course format. | 9:53:22 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | It should, plugins can define dependancies | 9:53:37 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | Dan P: Does it store them in moodledata dir then? | 9:53:39 PM |
| bmbrands | @gareth: sure, lets focus on this stuff by David | 9:53:54 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | @jennygray - we do this with core, it seems consistent to provide a similar warning of beta quality or less for plugins | 9:53:54 PM |
| Justin Filip | Does this support pulling in packages from a source other than moodle.org ? | 9:53:56 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | marxjohnson00: ah, no. You need to allow the webserver to write the plugin directories | 9:53:58 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | right | 9:54:02 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | cheers | 9:54:04 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | its the same process of a normal download and unzip + upgrade moodle | 9:54:16 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | watermark.nielsen: good question | 9:54:19 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | excellent - glad to see the acknowledgement notice, well done! | 9:54:22 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Cool | 9:55:08 PM |
| Anatai | I really like the pre-check before install, great touch. | 9:55:13 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | dependencies show up as little red requirements in upgrade screen | 9:55:15 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Uninstall also deletes files, right? | 9:55:19 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | great explanation David | 9:55:20 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Marks question^ does it auto get the the dependencies? | 9:55:28 PM |
| bmbrands | Since almost all plugins are on Github it would be great to see some update method or standards when publishing new plugin versions | 9:55:31 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | You can download github as zip | 9:55:49 PM |
| Davo Smith | Moodle.org can pull in from github already | 9:55:58 PM |
| bmbrands | Yes but the developer needs to create a zip, upload to the plugin database etc. | 9:56:13 PM |
| Justin Filip | Okay, thanks. | 9:56:13 PM |
| Davo Smith | Go to 'add new version' and click on 'add' | 9:56:14 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | oh nope doesn't auto get dependent plugins afaik. | 9:56:47 PM |
| Davo Smith | bmbrands - no pull in directly from github, by using the 'github' repo when adding a new version | 9:56:48 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | bmbrands: https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=222164 | 9:56:48 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Validator functions? Such as? | 9:57:06 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Is it easy to write an uninstall script in the plugin to remove custom DB tables? | 9:57:42 PM |
| bmbrands | @dan: Cool | 9:57:43 PM |
| Jason Hardin | is there a roll back function? | 9:58:05 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Very good. Easier to try out new plugins. I don't have to do our whole git workflow to put plugins on our test server. | 9:58:10 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Gareth J Barnard: it is done automatically by xmldb | 9:58:11 PM |
| Jason Hardin | to keep the plugin but downgrade/ | 9:58:12 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Jason, cannot rollback any updates on Moodle. | 9:58:25 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | @Dan - Very COOL :D - Thanks. | 9:58:27 PM |
| Mark Nelson | Downgrading requires the upgrade.php file to reverse what it has done, so no. | 9:58:39 PM |
| Davo Smith | Gareth, or you can use: https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Upgrade_API#uninstall.php if anything is not covered | 9:58:40 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | @Davo Thanks | 9:59:00 PM |
| Tim Hunt | I did not see the UI screen that gets you to sign in blood that you have made a backup before you start. | 9:59:03 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | timhunt: there is a tickbox | 9:59:26 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | bmbrands: i think the solution there is the github repository for uploading to Plugins directory. if its just to try/test perhaps there could be an alternative url that can be entered to fetch a zip from. | 9:59:28 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Good | 9:59:36 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | although it might not be there from the plugins directory route atm | 9:59:39 PM |
| Davo Smith | I can see that going wrong just a bit too often .... | 10:00:23 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | ^ wahey | 10:00:31 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | That would be nice, but terrifying | 10:00:35 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | hehe | 10:00:40 PM |
| bmbrands | Yes, could get annoying having updates weekly | 10:00:45 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | I'd need to write a lot of unit tests before I was comfortable doing that | 10:00:55 PM |
| bmbrands | Cool stuff David | 10:01:01 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | There can be a contact developer button about problems. Or "Send a crash report", lol. | 10:01:10 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Thanks David | 10:01:23 PM |
| David Mudrák | thanks. Apu should get half of the credit for sure, this was a real team project. | 10:01:38 PM |
| bmbrands | I have made a "microsoft clippy" block for that, still hoping it will be core one day | 10:01:45 PM |
| Ruslan Kabalin | Sorry guys, just learned 10 mins ago that I am supposed to present something... do not have mic and did not have chance to prepare | 10:01:50 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Martin, just demo it! | 10:02:06 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | MArtin: ^ | 10:02:09 PM |
| Ruslan Kabalin | I can comment here though | 10:02:22 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | marTIN: ^^ | 10:02:25 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | use QA site | 10:02:35 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (or someting on integration) | 10:02:45 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | It may also be worth demoing the collapsed editor | 10:02:45 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | hehe | 10:03:27 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | try chat | 10:03:43 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Or quiz | 10:03:53 PM |
| Jason Hardin | for 2.6 will there be a focus on important fields showing not the whole section? | 10:04:31 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Hmm.. yeah something important, but not required | 10:04:52 PM |
| Jason Hardin | right | 10:05:12 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Oh, I like the collapsed editor | 10:05:19 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Demo adding a new Multiple Choice question | 10:05:22 PM |
| Jason Hardin | the idea is to initially have all the fields that are most commonly used | 10:05:25 PM |
| Jason Hardin | shown | 10:05:27 PM |
| Tim Hunt | The heuristic is: Forms with more than 2 sections: any section after the first is collapsed by default. | 10:05:35 PM |
| Jason Hardin | then i expand what I need to add | 10:05:36 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | ah - some in there too | 10:05:37 PM |
| David Mudrák | jennygray: there is warning for anything lower than MATURITY_STABLE | 10:05:44 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Right, Jason. | 10:05:47 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Jason Hardin: Fred hsa been reworking a lot of the forms in addition to the other work | 10:05:58 PM |
| Jason Hardin | It is more than that Dan | 10:06:16 PM |
| bmbrands | I love the editor toggle | 10:06:18 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Easy to override the default. | 10:06:19 PM |
| Jason Hardin | If there were an api like advanced | 10:06:22 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | any thought to add that new tinymce option for comments? | 10:06:24 PM |
| Jason Hardin | that a dev can tag a fields as "initial" or "important" | 10:06:39 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Jason Hardin: I don't see it happening any time soon | 10:06:51 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Jason, we already have show advanced. | 10:06:57 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Jason, in the assignment plugin, the submission type section is made to be opened by default, but none of those options are required. So it is possible to define what sections to leave open | 10:07:03 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | vs collapsed | 10:07:06 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | there is only so much we can add onto the existing forms library, this is part of the way forward | 10:07:15 PM |
| Jason Hardin | @tim yeah i know that but we dont' have important or initial as a concept | 10:07:21 PM |
| Jason Hardin | advanced is used to hide settings | 10:07:34 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | Oh hurrah! policy bugs | 10:07:34 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Dan, any followup on the idea of replacing quickforms? | 10:07:36 PM |
| Jason Hardin | this would be used to show inputs | 10:07:40 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Jason, re-arrange your form to move the important stuff to the top. | 10:07:42 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL/component/12733 | 10:07:50 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | https://tracker.moodle.org/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20MDL%20AND%20component%20%3D%20Policy%20AND%20status%20%3D%20Open%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20DESC | 10:08:06 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Thank Colin Chambers for the collapsed editor | 10:08:10 PM |
| Jason Hardin | @tim that defeats the purpose of grouping fields by identifiable names | 10:08:11 PM |
| Amy Groshek | Interesting, but it's not toggling between HTML raw and wysiwyg, both are wysiwyg... | 10:08:21 PM |
| Amy Groshek | So to get to HTML I have to show the editor and then select HTML view... I have more steps than before... | 10:08:42 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | if only politicians had bugs. | 10:08:45 PM |
| bmbrands | @amy: would be nice to have a raw tab for that | 10:09:02 PM |
| Ruslan Kabalin | my pleasure | 10:09:18 PM |
| Marina Glancy | hello | 10:09:50 PM |
| Marina Glancy | can I just type? | 10:09:58 PM |
| Petr Škoda | lol | 10:10:14 PM |
| Marina Glancy | Basically in 2.5 all course listings will go through renderer. I made screenshots https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ytgtceoahiw5m6u/2tFpM389pW#/ | 10:10:36 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Why aren't they using the QA site? | 10:11:13 PM |
| Marina Glancy | Rex, who are they? | 10:11:25 PM |
| Marina Glancy | We still might correct some CSS things there | 10:12:00 PM |
| bmbrands | Great to have images there, they could be used to create icon buttons for mobile | 10:12:00 PM |
| Marina Glancy | By the way, screenshots are made using https://github.com/marinaglancy/moodle-tool_behatui | 10:12:34 PM |
| Tim Hunt | How does that look with 2000 courses? | 10:12:51 PM |
| Marina Glancy | there are settings that limit the number of courses per page | 10:13:06 PM |
| bmbrands | @tim: isn't the limit set to 200 ? | 10:13:11 PM |
| Davo Smith | looks like I'm going to have to catch up with the rest of this later - time for the school run; see you all later | 10:13:20 PM |
| Tim Hunt | No. The OU has many courses. | 10:13:22 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | ciao Davo | 10:13:30 PM |
| Marina Glancy | more about settings: https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Courses_lists_upgrade_to_2.5 | 10:14:15 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Where are the developer docs for what might break? | 10:14:18 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Ah! | 10:14:19 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Thanks. | 10:14:20 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | hehe | 10:15:17 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | There is a new JS side to it which hasn't yet landed | 10:15:26 PM |
| Marina Glancy | unfortunately it was not possible to keep old css because it was different everywhere | 10:15:28 PM |
| Marina Glancy | no, that's it. thanks | 10:15:51 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | there is a bit of lag here I think Martin (you keep giving up on us saying stuff) | 10:16:09 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Yup - it lets you drill down, and loads the course information on the page | 10:16:22 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Hi! | 10:17:09 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | aergh! | 10:17:18 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Hi Petr | 10:17:20 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | i didn't know he was moving in that close! | 10:17:32 PM |
| Moodle HQ | I think he's trying to look scary | 10:17:36 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | It's the light that makes it particularly scary | 10:18:24 PM |
| Jenny Gray | presumably we might move up to jquery 2.x when Moodle decides to drop support for older IE versions though? | 10:19:17 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/jQuery | 10:19:37 PM |
| Jason Hardin | I thought only IE 9+ was supported? | 10:19:48 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | Prototype added for 2.6? | 10:19:57 PM |
| Jason Hardin | why is jQuery worried about IE 6? | 10:19:59 PM |
| Anatai | currently IE 8+ supported | 10:20:05 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Jason Hardin, We support IE8 | 10:20:06 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | FYI YUI supports back to IE6 | 10:20:17 PM |
| Jason Hardin | sigh | 10:20:33 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | Mootools for 2.7 ? | 10:20:34 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Like Petr says, we're not intentionally breaking IE support | 10:20:41 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | Dojo for 2.8? | 10:20:42 PM |
| Amy Groshek | @Eloy, ha ha | 10:20:53 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | jennygray, Not necessarily, but maybe. Althoughwe'll drop support for IE8 soon, we'll still try our best to make things work | 10:20:56 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Hopefully the recent changes to use Shifter will help there too | 10:21:15 PM |
| Jenny Gray | OU still supporting IE7 in the "try our best" mode | 10:21:18 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | I can if you want | 10:21:42 PM |
| Amy Groshek | YUI resets/normalizr | 10:21:43 PM |
| Moodle HQ | gmail addres andrew? | 10:21:50 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Let Andrew talk | 10:21:50 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | andrewrn@gmail.com | 10:21:55 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | though Petr has covered most of it | 10:22:09 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | It will help us to write better API docs for our JS, and unit tests | 10:22:39 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | nice coer of it too | 10:22:43 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | *cover | 10:22:47 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Andrew, what is that good YUI theatre talk about YUI modules? | 10:22:52 PM |
| Tim Hunt | It is worth it! | 10:23:16 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | ermm... | 10:23:22 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | The one from Ubuntu One? | 10:23:36 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Foxxtrot | 10:23:40 PM |
| bmbrands | yes | 10:24:00 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Moodle 2.5: 'we're sick of the wussy windows devs' :P | 10:24:01 PM |
| mary | great job tweeting by tsala | 10:24:07 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | yes we can | 10:24:09 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Shifter works fine on Windows | 10:24:14 PM |
| Amy Groshek | @Andrew love the haircut. Very nice. | 10:24:14 PM |
| Mark Nelson | Wow, cut your hair. | 10:24:15 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | hairloss! | 10:24:16 PM |
| Mike Churchward | Holy crap! New man! | 10:24:27 PM |
| Justin Filip | Wow… Mod Andrew. =) | 10:24:35 PM |
| Tim Hunt | If anyone wants to encorage Andrew's hair loss: http://www.justgiving.com/andrewnicols | 10:24:56 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | lol, the most commented on thing so far this meeting | 10:24:57 PM |
| mary | I liked the poneytail! But understand the reasons for haircut | 10:25:05 PM |
| mary | lol | 10:25:09 PM |
| Petr Škoda | linting - yay! | 10:26:08 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | ( | 10:26:12 PM |
| Tim Hunt | I learned a lot from the lint output. | 10:26:21 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | I used to understand him better with the long hair, uhm... | 10:26:30 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Well, you just add Y.log statements to you code for development. | 10:26:57 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Then, they don't appear in the finished code for people not in dev debug mode. | 10:27:09 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | Eloy: you need mod_rmaccent | 10:27:30 PM |
| Petr Škoda | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/jQuery is the jQuery docs page | 10:27:32 PM |
| Mark Nelson | What shampoo do you use? | 10:27:34 PM |
| Justin Filip | Andrew's so dreamy! | 10:27:48 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | wow, thats a good colour in your face now! | 10:28:00 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | LOL | 10:28:08 PM |
| Mark Nelson | I keep thinking I am watching a shampoo commercial on youtube | 10:28:15 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | I can see ruslan trying to get in the picture | 10:28:20 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | with his arms | 10:28:22 PM |
| mary | lol | 10:28:23 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/YUI https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Javascript/Shifter | 10:28:48 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Get LANCs to change the paint colour! | 10:28:51 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | And https://docs.moodle.org/dev/YUI/Modules is in progress | 10:28:56 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | its gone dark | 10:29:19 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Acceptance_testing | 10:30:56 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Are you hearing David ok? | 10:31:34 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | yep | 10:31:36 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | yes | 10:31:42 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | yep | 10:31:43 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | best english in the season! | 10:31:43 PM |
| David Mudrák | yes | 10:31:44 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (I am used to his spanish accent ) | 10:31:48 PM |
| Mark Nelson | season, or session? | 10:31:55 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | year* | 10:32:01 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | 10:32:02 PM | |
| Mark Nelson | lol | 10:32:05 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Martin Dougiamas, Where were you suggesting I add the links to the new docs? | 10:32:24 PM |
| Helen Foster | David sounds great! | 10:32:45 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | The April 2013 dev meeting page | 10:32:46 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | will do | 10:32:53 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Thanks! | 10:33:05 PM |
| bmbrands | could this be used to create performance tests too? this looks easier than doing jmeter scripts. | 10:33:32 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | bmbrands: no | 10:33:44 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | It wouldn't make sense to time the tests as a performance indicator? | 10:34:04 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (not out of the box, I don't think.. doubting myself now) | 10:34:06 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | not really (there are some "pauses" here and there), and will evolve along the time/depend of the product used. | 10:34:13 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Yes it can | 10:34:13 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | rexlorenzo@gmail.com: they are doing pauses and all kinds of things | 10:34:21 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | its not a very reliable way to do it | 10:34:28 PM |
| Mark Nelson | Just a note to developers: MDK (Fred's plugin) will set behat up for you. | 10:35:07 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | No, sure. But I think with lots and lots of tests the pauses will sort of even out. | 10:35:08 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | At least it would detect really stupid mistakes. | 10:35:23 PM |
| Marina Glancy | I found another implementation recently - it is useful to run the same test across all/some themes and make screenshots | 10:35:29 PM |
| Mark Nelson | Whoops, when I say plugin, I mean script. It is not a moodle plugin. | 10:35:52 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Post your code again marina. | 10:35:55 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | It's a cool idea | 10:36:12 PM |
| Marina Glancy | https://github.com/marinaglancy/moodle-tool_behatui | 10:36:17 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | (Y) | 10:36:34 PM |
| bmbrands | @marina: coool | 10:36:49 PM |
| Marina Glancy | I added there a big test for course listings, I'm going to suggest it for theme developers in my course listings doc | 10:36:57 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | it can be used to cover some "key" vualizations. | 10:37:05 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | *visualizations. | 10:37:11 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | If you have moodle 2.5, you can see the list of steps definitons in: admin/tool/behat/index.php | 10:37:24 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | (aka the vocabulary) | 10:38:07 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | Given Marina submits moodle-tool_behatui to Moodle plugins, Then I can automatically install with Aparup's install button | 10:38:37 PM |
| Jason Hardin | behat is not using the mink plugin to allow for other test servers other than selenium? | 10:39:38 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | yes | 10:39:43 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | in fact I want to try it against others soon (faster and headless with JS support) | 10:40:21 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | Hrm... that can help speed up tests though. Using a headless browser, etc | 10:40:42 PM |
| bmbrands | have to leave, thanks all | 10:40:52 PM |
| Jason Hardin | it does help but has issues | 10:41:03 PM |
| Jason Hardin | not all headless support the same funcitonality as selenium | 10:41:12 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | for non-js, non-corss-browser ones it already uses headless afaik) | 10:41:16 PM |
| Jason Hardin | selenium seems to be the best supported though | 10:41:21 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | nah | 10:41:25 PM |
| Jason Hardin | the others have "issues" | 10:41:27 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | lol, selenium has too | 10:41:34 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Mark: yes. The problem is real useers don't use javascript-less browsers | 10:41:38 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Thanks Bas! | 10:41:44 PM |
| Jason Hardin | @eloy, true, but you can get the server to run | 10:41:49 PM |
| Jason Hardin | i have not gotten others to run onlinux and mac | 10:42:01 PM |
| Jason Hardin | only one or the other | 10:42:06 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Oh, are you guys also running behats tests for accessibility? The idea about javascript browsers made me think about it. | 10:42:18 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | well, I've tried zombie and it rocks | 10:42:26 PM |
| Jason Hardin | i tried zombie and it failed | 10:42:36 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | for the purposes I'm thinking about. | 10:42:36 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | *javascript-less | 10:42:41 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | rexlorenzo@gmail.com: an interesting side effect of behat tests is that I think it helps us with accessibility | 10:42:50 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | @poltawski: not all tests require JS though - if I just want to confirm that some text appears after hitting a button, I don't need anything special | 10:43:13 PM |
| Jason Hardin | yeah when Eloy means javascript less it is that the testing software doesn't need aJS to run the tests | 10:43:14 PM |
| Jason Hardin | not that there is no js testing | 10:43:18 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | because we spot things like multiple links with the same meaning | 10:43:20 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | grr | 10:43:24 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | different meaning | 10:43:28 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | same heading, different meaning | 10:43:43 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | @watermark.nielsen its already supported with headless browser, if itsnnot got javascript requirement | 10:43:46 PM |
| Mark Nielsen | ah | 10:43:57 PM |
| Jason Hardin | if you want accessibility testing there is a fireeyes plugin that works pretty well it is free | 10:43:58 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | there is an @javascript tag for javascript depdendent tests | 10:44:09 PM |
| Jason Hardin | http://www.deque.com/deque-fireeyes | 10:44:10 PM |
| Jason Hardin | it si produced by the consulting company Moodlerooms hired to review Moodle | 10:44:20 PM |
| Jason Hardin | and free to use as long as you are not providing consulting services around it | 10:44:36 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | he | 10:44:42 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | meeting interruptus? | 10:45:13 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | thats his screen isn't it | 10:45:16 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | keep commentating! | 10:45:22 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | music! | 10:45:28 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | brasil! | 10:45:32 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Ijust saw his terminal | 10:45:52 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | seeing terminal snow | 10:46:11 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | Yip I can see it | 10:46:13 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | its threre now | 10:46:16 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | *now | 10:46:19 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | yes | 10:46:20 PM |
| David Mudrák | finally a command line interface! | 10:46:23 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | its just that its at top of screen | 10:46:23 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | DONT TYPE the ROOT's PASSWORD NOW! | 10:46:25 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | lol | 10:46:26 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Martin: Click on his window at the bottom. It's based on who is talking most | 10:46:27 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | get him to press enter | 10:46:27 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | gone | 10:46:29 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | heh | 10:46:40 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | wfm ;) | 10:46:49 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | I see him! | 10:47:05 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | its there now | 10:47:06 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | here we go | 10:47:13 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | look you guys look! | 10:47:23 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | it's boring... although last time i was 80 mins looking for them to complete. | 10:48:01 PM |
| Helen Foster | wow, how cool is that! | 10:48:01 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | lol | 10:48:01 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | david is cheating | 10:48:28 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | hes just doing it quickly | 10:48:35 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | it's a recorded video! Fake! | 10:48:42 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | 10:48:51 PM | |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | eh, have you seen the setType warning, Dan? | 10:49:07 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | He has a Raspberry Pi controlled mouse ;) | 10:49:09 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | suspects trained monkeys | 10:49:10 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | yes! | 10:49:11 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | errors not detected | 10:49:25 PM |
| Justin Filip | Does this take screenshots at any points for making sure a page is rendered correctly? | 10:49:29 PM |
| Jason Hardin | can you run just the plugin tests? | 10:49:36 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | yeah, we should have them caught already, grrr | 10:49:38 PM |
| Justin Filip | Such as: this page looks great in Chrome and FF but renders incorrectly in IE8? | 10:49:46 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | Jason Hardin: you can run by tag | 10:49:49 PM |
| Jason Hardin | awesome | 10:49:56 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | jfilip: yes | 10:49:56 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | by tag or by name (part of the description) | 10:50:07 PM |
| Justin Filip | Cool, thanks. | 10:50:08 PM |
| Jason Hardin | nice | 10:50:20 PM |
| Moodle HQ | Justin, that's exactly what Marinas behatui thing does | 10:50:25 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Are you guys running also running selenium in windows to test IE? How many different environments are you running selenium or planning to? | 10:50:34 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | 2.6 testing won't be QA testing anymore but "picture testing" instead, lol. | 10:51:15 PM |
| Justin Filip | I'll take a look at it, thanks for the info. | 10:51:41 PM |
| Moodle HQ | Sauce labs, for now | 10:52:11 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Which service? | 10:52:14 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | https://saucelabs.com/ | 10:52:24 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | settype again | 10:52:50 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | https://saucelabs.com/u/moodle | 10:52:58 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | ^ cool | 10:53:00 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | we need to catch all those notices/warnings/debuggins ASAP | 10:53:34 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Very cool stuff. | 10:53:40 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | awesome stuff, david! | 10:53:56 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | now everyone else needs to start writing tests | 10:54:14 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | i want to | 10:54:20 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | (steam was coming out of davids ears when I was in perth) | 10:54:27 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | Nice presentations | 10:54:58 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | slides | 10:55:10 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | wasn't there a pending backport issue for tests to 2.4 ? | 10:55:12 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | (evil) | 10:55:18 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | (assign ones) | 10:55:28 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | yup | 10:55:31 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | aren't they waiting on Damyon | 10:56:11 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | yup: MDL-37632 | 10:56:31 PM |
| Moodle Bot | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-37632 - Backport unit tests for mod/assign/lib.php and mod/assign/lib.php and mod/assign/upgradelib.php to 24 | 10:56:31 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | yay people using the new drag/drop of help | 10:59:07 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | lol | 11:00:11 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | profile description from mdk | 11:00:26 PM |
| Davo Smith | popped back just in time | 11:04:14 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Will MDL-37490 make it into M2.5? | 11:04:26 PM |
| Moodle Bot | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-37490 - Display assignment due date on course page. | 11:04:27 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | yes | 11:05:21 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Seeing it on youtube now | 11:05:21 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | yes | 11:05:24 PM |
| David Mudrák | yes | 11:05:27 PM |
| Justin Filip | Yes | 11:05:33 PM |
| sbourget | yes | 11:05:36 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | another perfect english speaker, yay! | 11:06:05 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | the orange looks "too much" for me, lol. | 11:09:00 PM |
| Tim Hunt | No such thing as too much orange. | 11:09:12 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | will it support custom backgrounds? | 11:09:37 PM |
| David Mudrák | typical mobile developer - having even desktop windows resized to 200 x 300 px | 11:09:53 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | heh | 11:10:04 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | Yes you can change backgrounds and everything via CSS | 11:12:24 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | there is a new setting in Moodle 2.5 that lets you specify the URL to a CSS file | 11:12:44 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | super | 11:12:53 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | And the app will get this and use it | 11:12:57 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Same goes for language customisations | 11:13:18 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | 11:13:23 PM | |
| Martin Dougiamas | And all this is cached in the app | 11:13:28 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | well done1 | 11:14:03 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | It's a nice app - well done Juan | 11:14:17 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | nice! (browser appears black sometimes in youtube) | 11:14:49 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Is the push notifications something similar to what Moodlerooms is proposing for their alert system in here? https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=223812 | 11:14:59 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | How can we sent push notifications? Does it use the messaging api? | 11:15:28 PM |
| Tim Hunt | More open. Less free | 11:15:29 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | Haha oh dear | 11:15:36 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | lets not get into that now | 11:15:40 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | rexlorenzo@gmail.com: the notification using messaging system | 11:15:43 PM |
| Juan Leyva | Rex, yes messaging output plugins | 11:15:46 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | "we are legion" | 11:15:49 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | We have a server called AirNotifier that will recieve messages from Moodle | 11:16:17 PM |
| maberdour | Holy crap, been trying out different jabber settings for an hour. Made it in. Thanks @anatai | 11:16:18 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | via Message API | 11:16:21 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | jabber is sooo simple, lol. | 11:16:33 PM |
| Martin Dougiamas | and send it to Apple/Google and then to your phone | 11:16:35 PM |
| Anatai | @maberdour you're welcome | 11:16:38 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | super | 11:16:51 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | exciting | 11:16:55 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | amazing | 11:16:57 PM |
| sam marshall | (yeah, how come irc works much better than jabber? | 11:16:58 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Thank you | 11:17:05 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | yes the notifications i've received were cool Jerome | 11:17:08 PM |
| Juan Leyva | https://docs.moodle.org/24/en/Moodle_Mobile_app | 11:17:19 PM |
| Juan Leyva | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Moodle_Mobile | 11:17:19 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | welcom, G | 11:17:21 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | We've lost camear on youtube | 11:17:22 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Got your camera now | 11:17:44 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | any updates on MDL-36350 / https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Survey_2_module - it seems to keep getting pushed back - possible GSOC project? | 11:18:30 PM |
| Moodle Bot | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-36350 - Implement Survey 2 module | 11:18:30 PM |
| Moodle HQ | AFAIK Daniele stil on it | 11:19:10 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | afaik Danielle is back, hard working on it, Anthony. | 11:19:13 PM |
| Anthony Borrow | good news! | 11:19:21 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | lag is tricky | 11:19:54 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | hi GSOC students watching! | 11:19:58 PM |
| marxjohnson00 | 1 | 11:20:05 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | and Twitter hasn't been great for it | 11:20:06 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | Brilliant | 11:20:07 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | this is way way better | 11:20:08 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | 0.5 | 11:20:08 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Will this live stream be saved? +1 | 11:20:09 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | +1 though | 11:20:09 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | 1 | 11:20:11 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Video and audio is good. | 11:20:11 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | 1 | 11:20:13 PM |
| Justin Filip | Pretty good | 11:20:13 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Better than bbb | 11:20:17 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | 0.2 | 11:20:17 PM |
| David Mudrák | 1 | 11:20:18 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Harder to see who is in the meeting and chat | 11:20:20 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | Could do with the stream running a bit for 15 minutes before hand to give people a chance to get themselves sorted | 11:20:24 PM |
| Mark Nelson | It worked with very little effort. | 11:20:35 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | 1 | 11:20:38 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Yes. Starting the stream earlier woudlbe good. | 11:20:40 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | google rocks! | 11:20:42 PM |
| Jenny Gray | twitter has been surprisingly quiet. | 11:20:42 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | 11:20:43 PM | |
| Gareth J Barnard | BBB is being used at iMoot 2013. | 11:20:56 PM |
| Andrew Nicols | thanks | 11:21:10 PM |
| David Mudrák | too many places to check for feedback | 11:21:11 PM |
| Gareth J Barnard | Thank you all | 11:21:26 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | devs rocks! C'mon! | 11:21:35 PM |
| Tim Hunt | Thanks. | 11:21:36 PM |
| Anatai | thanks | 11:21:38 PM |
| David Mudrák | thanks | 11:21:40 PM |
| Ankit Agarwal | Cya all | 11:21:42 PM |
| Justin Filip | Thanks | 11:21:42 PM |
| mary | thanks | 11:21:44 PM |
| Rex Lorenzo | Thanks. | 11:21:44 PM |
| Sam Hemelryk | Cool, thanks guys | 11:21:45 PM |
| Mark Nelson | Ciao. | 11:21:49 PM |
| Dan Poltawski | ciao | 11:21:49 PM |
| David Mudrák | (clap) | 11:21:50 PM |
| David Mudrák | +1 mojito | 11:21:54 PM |
| Rossiani Wijaya | cya | 11:22:01 PM |
| Rajesh Taneja | cya | 11:22:01 PM |
| David Mudrák | did I hear "meeting rums?" | 11:22:07 PM |
| Aparup Banerjee | thanks! good night! moodle out yo | 11:22:14 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | did i hear "mojito" ? | 11:22:16 PM |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | lol | 11:22:20 PM |
