Developer meeting July 2014

Developer meetings > July 2014 meeting notes

Time	13:00 UTC on Tuesday, 22 July 2014
Meeting video	Youtube stream
Chat	Regular Dev chat
Twitter	#moodledev

This meeting will focus on development happening outside of Moodle HQ

The meeting will be streamed live on YouTube with chat through the regular Dev chat room and comments on Twitter.

Meeting Video

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Meeting notes

Atto plugin development (Invited speaker: Justin Hunt @poodllguy)

• Developing plugins for Atto is easier than TinyMCE, it's very Moodle-like.
• Each button is a plugin.
• Looking at existing examples in Atto is a good start.
• Can use Moodle capabilities in plugins.
• Justin has created an Atto plugin template, which is easy to transform into your own plugin.
• Discussion: Atto plugin development

Development in progress at HQ

Output plan (Sam Hemelryk, Damyon Wiese)

• Adding renders for common elements and guidelines for writing renderers.
• For themers: easier to style the interface by fixing common elements.
• For devs: a toolkit to help speed up development and remove guesswork.
• Documentation will be better for everyone.
• Element library will exemplify elements.
• Feedback specification up for feedback.
• Sam Hemelryk/Output 2.8 GDM reference

User menu (Jetha Chan, Frédéric Massart)

• Part of a navigation overhaul.
• Available into a lot of themes.
• Incorporates the login state and menu.
• Will be responsive and aligned correctly depending on its position.
• Uses renderers and allowed review of custom menu and language menu.
• Will be used in Clean and More and easy to add to any other theme.

Event Monitor (Ankit Agarwal, Simey Lameze)

• Allows users to monitor events that occur at a certain frequency in a given time window.
• Rules can be established by the administrator and each user can then subscribe.
• When the rule is met, a message is sent to subscribed users.
• Will include a report that shows a history of monitored happenings.
• What event rules should be provided as defaults? Please contribute.

Report Builder Source API (Adrian Greeve, John Okely)

• Based on existing report builder from Totara.
• Can create reports on-the-fly.
• Based on database tables around Moodle, supplied as "sources".
• Will allow users to create reports without SQL knowledge.
• API is ready for feedback.

Gradebook changes (Martin Dougiamas)

• Work coming from a recent workshop.
• A lot of user-facing changes.
• Not more features, some features are being hidden away by admins.
• New Natural weighting aggregation.
• Improving the Grader report by:
  • having dynamic scrolling (https://github.com/alroman/moodle/tree/gradereport-table),
  • allowing filtering, and
  • focussing on a single row or column.
• Some other bugs being tackled.

VERP for email processing (Martin Dougiamas for Andrew Nicols)

• It's about emailing into Moodle so users can reply to emails from Moodle.
• Can be used for responding to forum messages, adding private files and potentially other uses.
• Admins configure Moodle to monitor an IMAP account.

Featured plugins campaign in Moodle plugins directory (David Mudrák)

• Coming in a few days - top secret for now.
• New awards for plugins including features plugins.

Meeting chat log

Michael de Raadt	Justin's email address is poodllsupport@gmail.com	8:59:16 PM
Sam Hemelryk	https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Developer_meeting_July_2014	8:59:16 PM
Damyon Wiese	Pizza is here	9:01:11 PM
meetingroom	ok we are off	9:01:55 PM
Dan Poltawski	just got david now	9:02:35 PM
Dan Poltawski	hello	9:02:50 PM
Mark McKay (UMN)	Good Morning from Minnesota	9:03:00 PM
mudrd8mz	Hello everybody	9:03:11 PM
danbennett	Afternoon! o/	9:03:12 PM
Justin Filip	Good morning from Waterloo, ON Canada	9:03:12 PM
Sam Hemelryk	Morning from NZ	9:03:25 PM
Andrew Davis	I like how google plus waits for the event to start before telling you that it needs to upgrade flash	9:03:26 PM
Rajesh Taneja	smile	9:03:40 PM
Dan Poltawski	Hi from Manchester, UK	9:03:41 PM
Frédéric Massart	Is the stream on Youtube yet?	9:04:13 PM
Dan Poltawski	yep	9:04:17 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Yes	9:04:19 PM
Rajesh Taneja	yes	9:04:21 PM
Davo Smith	I had to refresh the page before it appeared	9:04:33 PM
Frédéric Massart	Interesting, not there yet for me	9:05:34 PM
Mark McKay (UMN)	Bob Puffer is trying to get on the chat but isn't having success. Could you invite him to the hangout	9:05:46 PM
Dan Poltawski	tried dragging the bar and refreshing etc Fred?	9:05:57 PM
Ruslan Kabalin	Hello from Lancaster, UK	9:06:31 PM
David Monllaó	Fred: I can see it	9:06:34 PM
Frédéric Massart	On https://www.youtube.com/user/moodlehq ?	9:06:45 PM
Rajesh Taneja	https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cr1d9j5u32d8pbc7f50hrqqnhvs	9:06:57 PM
Dan Poltawski		9:07:04 PM
Frédéric Massart	Maybe it'd be worth updating https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Developer_meeting_July_2014 then	9:07:27 PM
Dan Poltawski	thats where I found it	9:07:34 PM
Dan Poltawski	I see, at the bottom	9:07:47 PM
Frédéric Massart	Oh, I was looking at "Meeting Room' at the top	9:08:36 PM
Dan Poltawski	i'vejust made a hasty edit	9:08:53 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Just wondering, is there going to be plugin to reimplement "full screen" mode that TinyMCE had in Atto?	9:09:10 PM
Mark McKay (UMN)	Good question, Rex	9:10:01 PM
Damyon Wiese	No one is working on full screen that I know of. It could be a plugin.	9:10:11 PM
mudrd8mz	Justin: at my screen, I can't see the slides but the presentation software instead	9:11:28 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Another plugin idea that came up at the Mountain Moodle Moot was to have a color picker. Lots of people didn't like like limited color palette of just 6 colors.	9:11:29 PM
Damyon Wiese	Is screen frozen?	9:11:36 PM
danbennett	I only see the building atto screen	9:11:48 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Yeah, I just see the first slide still	9:11:52 PM
sbourget	same here	9:11:58 PM
Davo Smith	ditto	9:12:01 PM
Rex Lorenzo	We are trying out the Poodll plugins and found that the icons don't match the Atto icons. They are darker and don't have tool tip rollovers	9:13:16 PM
mudrd8mz	Yup, it was noted during the acceptance review, too.	9:13:59 PM
Damyon Wiese	They could be overridden in a theme (the icons)	9:14:02 PM
Rex Lorenzo	But replaced with what?	9:14:25 PM
mudrd8mz	IMHO default icons should just fit default Atto icons	9:14:40 PM
Jason Fowler	then back rex, is the issue with the poodll icons, or the core icons ... (they aren't just for atto, but all editors now)	9:15:25 PM
Jason Fowler	sorry s/then back//	9:15:44 PM
mudrd8mz	it's the issue with icon pics shipped with the PoodLL Anywhere plugin, not core	9:16:21 PM
Jason Fowler	okay, so then someone needs to complain to that dev ... ;)	9:16:47 PM
danbennett	https://github.com/justinhunt/moodle-atto_newtemplate	9:16:50 PM
danbennett	That wasx for myself but nevermind	9:16:58 PM
Jason Fowler	Barbara and I spent months getting those icons designed and sorted	9:17:09 PM
Jason Fowler	(more barbara than me)	9:17:21 PM
Dan Poltawski	Dan Poltawski is feeling nostalgic about the putty icon	9:19:37 PM
Justin Filip	Haha. =)	9:19:45 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Shifter is very cool	9:21:35 PM
Dan Poltawski	thanks Justin, nice to see a plugin developers pov	9:24:25 PM
Sam Hemelryk	indeed - thank you!	9:24:37 PM
Rex Lorenzo	What's justin's twitter?	9:25:06 PM
Mark McKay (UMN)	How long is the lag?	9:25:13 PM
Davo Smith	@jfilip	9:25:19 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Nm https://twitter.com/poodllguy	9:25:21 PM
Dan Poltawski	(reformed windows user - re putty :P)	9:25:41 PM
Davo Smith	Sorry, wrong justin wink	9:25:45 PM
Justin Filip	Yeah, the other Justin. =)	9:25:46 PM
Rex Lorenzo	My question: "We are trying out the Poodll plugins and found that the icons don't match the Atto icons. They are darker and don't have tool tip rollovers"	9:25:59 PM
Rex Lorenzo	It is too long for Twitter	9:26:04 PM
Dan Poltawski	bloody clicky keyboards :D	9:27:33 PM
danbennett	Michaels keyboard has a mute button for the keys? I want that feature!	9:28:57 PM
mudrd8mz	try ctrl-alt-del	9:29:29 PM
mudrd8mz	tongueout	9:29:36 PM
danbennett	ah!	9:29:42 PM
jetha	compile-time flag, #define MICROSWITCH CHERRY_MX_BLACK	9:30:11 PM
mudrd8mz	it mutes the fan, too	9:30:21 PM
David Monllaó	standardising output sounds reeeaaally good, no need to think anymore each time I have to output something	9:31:10 PM
Dan Poltawski	Yes	9:31:46 PM
jetha	+1 to everything, yeah - i tried integrating some other frameworks in the form of themes over the weekend, and it's currently pretty bad. each theme has to specify what each page's elements look like, some standardisation is exactly what we need	9:32:09 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Be frontend framework agnostic? Is that possible?	9:33:13 PM
mudrd8mz	How does it all relate to bootstrap?	9:34:07 PM
Martin Dougiamas	at least mostly	9:34:11 PM
Damyon Wiese	In our prototype we had 4 frameworks supported but just for some simple elements	9:34:21 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Which other frontends are you trying out?	9:34:51 PM
Damyon Wiese	Bootstrap is just one framework	9:34:55 PM
Damyon Wiese	We did bootstrap 2 3 zurb pureio	9:35:16 PM
mudrd8mz	Aha. I thought it was sort of decided to be future base of Moodle Themes.	9:35:25 PM
Martin Dougiamas	it is but who knows, next year it will be too old for any designers to want to touch	9:36:05 PM
mudrd8mz	pure.io looked ok last time I quickly checked, good to hear to be abstracted	9:36:05 PM
Damyon Wiese	Bootstrap 2 is already out of support and there is work to do to move to 3	9:36:18 PM
mudrd8mz	(ok)	9:36:20 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Can we also be js framework agnostic? j/k	9:36:21 PM
Damyon Wiese	Antagonistic	9:36:42 PM
Dan Poltawski	http://purecss.io ?	9:36:47 PM
Martin Dougiamas	In other news we will also suport php, ruby, java and python	9:36:49 PM
Damyon Wiese	C#	9:36:58 PM
Jason Fowler	when we stop using libraries and start using js frameworks, sure :P	9:37:04 PM
Bas Brands	Bootstrap 3 already works pretty well with Moodle smile	9:37:14 PM
Jason Fowler	no perl?	9:37:15 PM
Dan Poltawski	not fair to troll andrew whilst hes not here	9:37:26 PM
jetha	(can we support http://esolangs.org/wiki/ook! )?	9:37:31 PM
Jason Fowler	bmbrands: if you rewrite a lot of the renderers ...	9:37:35 PM
Jason Fowler	Ook!	9:37:38 PM
Rex Lorenzo	bmbrands, but with a lot of work, right?	9:37:38 PM
Jason Fowler	I would love ook	9:37:48 PM
John Okely	And whitespace?	9:38:01 PM
Bas Brands	The renderer rewrites might seem big.. but the actual code changes in the renderers are quite small.	9:38:58 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Any of those can be overridden or added to by plugins?	9:39:08 PM
Bas Brands	RTL languages is a blocker now	9:39:13 PM
jetha	bmbrands: how so?	9:39:19 PM
mudrd8mz	This looks similar to what $OUTPUT already had for 2.0. Can we highlight what's different with this approach?	9:39:28 PM
Bas Brands	Bootstrap 3 still doesn’t fully support RTL	9:39:39 PM
jetha	ahh	9:39:46 PM
nadavkav	bmbrands, what do you mean about the RTL blocker?	9:40:18 PM
nadavkav	haa	9:40:30 PM
jetha	bmbrands: there seems to be some community efforts in that direction https://github.com/morteza/bootstrap-rtl	9:40:38 PM
nadavkav	hope to see it integrated soon smile	9:40:46 PM
nadavkav	I just got some fixes for theme/bootstrap and theme/elegance I need to send you	9:41:25 PM
Bas Brands	@nadavkav great! send them over smile	9:41:50 PM
Damyon Wiese	We can autoloader renderers in a namespace in master now already	9:42:07 PM
nadavkav	immediately after the session end smile	9:42:51 PM
Dan Poltawski	have said it before but worth repeating that i'm glad the documentation/social side of it is a big part	9:42:51 PM
mudrd8mz	1	9:43:02 PM
Damyon Wiese	MDL-41663	9:43:19 PM
Moodle Bot	https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-41663 - Allow renderers and renderables in a namespace to be auto loaded., V: 3, W: 10, Type: Improvement, Assignee: Damyon Wiese, Priority: Major, Status: Closed	9:43:19 PM
Rex Lorenzo	What link is Sam viewing? It doesn't appear to be the same as the link on the meeting notes page, which is: https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Render_library_specification	9:45:28 PM
Sam Hemelryk	https://docs.moodle.org/dev/User:Sam_Hemelryk/Output_2.8_GDM_reference#Relevant_links	9:45:40 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Thanks	9:45:59 PM
Sam Hemelryk	Haha was that a bit long was it?	9:49:32 PM
mudrd8mz	I have two questions / comments but can wait	9:49:38 PM
danbennett	Oh thats called a hamburger. OK. I call it a thingy. Learn something new!	9:53:06 PM
Martin Dougiamas	Indeed it is	9:53:27 PM
Michael de Raadt	Mmmm. Hamburger.	9:53:42 PM
mudrd8mz	let's invent pizza widget	9:53:49 PM
danbennett	Yes!	9:53:56 PM
Martin Dougiamas	Could also be chips	9:54:10 PM
mudrd8mz	Although it might be patented by MS Excel already	9:54:11 PM
Damyon Wiese	I am inventing one right now	9:54:21 PM
mudrd8mz	(I know, I saw you tongueout)	9:54:33 PM
Justin Filip	I don't think we can see what he's showing right now.	9:55:35 PM
Justin Filip	I just see a slide?	9:55:38 PM
Martin Dougiamas	yep	9:55:43 PM
mudrd8mz	yup, the "code!" slide	9:55:50 PM
Martin Dougiamas	mmm custard menu	9:56:23 PM
Damyon Wiese	Reopen	9:56:28 PM
Justin Filip	NM, weird problem on my side, my video feed got "stuck"	9:56:45 PM
Bas Brands	How does this fit in the element library? shouldn’t it be a moodle_navbar ?	9:57:13 PM
Martin Dougiamas	What element library? :D	9:57:31 PM
Bas Brands	and use it’s own JS etc?	9:57:31 PM
Damyon Wiese	It will need redoing	9:57:33 PM
Damyon Wiese	But the element library can't hold things that p	9:57:46 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Usually hamburger icons either shift to the left side if on mobile, but on larger screens it is on right side.. How does this handle responsive design? Can you really hard code the side?	9:57:54 PM
Damyon Wiese	Up	9:57:58 PM
danbennett	Much hamburger	9:59:11 PM
Martin Dougiamas	hehe	9:59:25 PM
nadavkav	Hope you are considering the RTL challenges into that menu smile	9:59:49 PM
Rex Lorenzo	2 clicks to login?	10:00:05 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Okay, nm	10:00:36 PM
Martin Dougiamas	yeah that was "before" aka now	10:00:50 PM
danbennett	seemless!	10:01:16 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Okay, the demo is great. Really makes more sense now. Thanks.	10:01:36 PM
nadavkav	Yeeee !!!	10:01:51 PM
nadavkav	sweet	10:01:57 PM
Martin Dougiamas	we should always do demos first, I think smile	10:02:07 PM
danbennett	User Menu in and Navigation menu out? :P :D	10:02:18 PM
Dan Poltawski	(good luck, backend team :P)	10:02:30 PM
Simon Coggins	would be great if plugins could enqueue items	10:02:30 PM
Martin Dougiamas	over time, dan, yeah	10:02:36 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Yeah, ability to specify custom menu items depending on context as well	10:03:47 PM
Dan Poltawski	sweet	10:03:48 PM
Dan Poltawski	killer demo	10:03:54 PM
danbennett	Thats so much clearer. And it didn't log you out? Yay! Please tell me that happens by default now :P	10:03:56 PM
Dan Poltawski	it was login-as which logged you out wasn't it?	10:04:32 PM
Simon Coggins	Really nice, thanks!	10:04:36 PM
danbennett	Ah yeah it was good point Dan	10:04:42 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Login-as doesn't log you out anymore?	10:04:46 PM
Dan Poltawski	it does i'm sure it does!	10:04:53 PM
Dan Poltawski	don't spread rumours	10:04:57 PM
danbennett	Yeah it does in the current 2.8 branch. Annoys me no end lol	10:05:17 PM
jetha	reverting from login-as-user logs you out as before	10:05:17 PM
Martin Dougiamas	It was put in for security but its super annoying	10:05:18 PM
jetha	reverting from login-as-role does not	10:05:23 PM
Damyon Wiese	There is a security reason for the logout	10:05:30 PM
Damyon Wiese	I can't remember what it is	10:05:47 PM
Martin Dougiamas	Someone really needs to find a better way to solve that …	10:05:48 PM
mudrd8mz	I do rememebr	10:05:57 PM
Martin Dougiamas	sessions hanging around or something	10:06:00 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Petr provided a patch to remove the log out in tracker, but he advised against it	10:06:06 PM
meetingroom	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q59sRMTzKjAd6Tm8fJb6KdfjNA_tVXc-7PacpbiRDfU/edit	10:06:06 PM
Dan Poltawski	MDL-24120	10:06:33 PM
Moodle Bot	https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-24120 - Allow admin to remain logged in after login as procedure, V: 118, W: 52, Type: Improvement, Assignee: moodle.com, Priority: Major, Status: Reopened	10:06:33 PM
danbennett	118 votes lol	10:06:50 PM
mudrd8mz	Admin logs in as Alice and Alice executes JS that does back to admin role and then some nasty action. Shortly, whatever you can do via browser, the JS can do too. So the session must be killed and relogin happen	10:07:22 PM
Damyon Wiese	Should that list disabled plugins in the drop down?	10:07:45 PM
jetha	@mudrd8mz: that second action, after admin logs in as alice - is that admin doing that, or alice?	10:08:45 PM
Martin Dougiamas	http://prototype.moodle.net/eventmonitor/	10:09:06 PM
Rex Lorenzo	I think I mentioned this in the Forum, but why is this designed to be from the user perspective? Are you really expecting users to define rules for each of their courses? Shouldn't it be from the site admin side to specify what events they think are useful and allow users to opt-in/out? Seems way too complicated for users to setup. It is almost like email filters, but something that you need to do for every course.	10:09:07 PM
mudrd8mz	it's alice. but the first thing the JS would do is to switch back	10:09:29 PM
mudrd8mz	that's how I naively understood it, I may be wrong	10:09:50 PM
jetha	i think it would be valuable for us to mock up what that would look like	10:09:52 PM
Dan Poltawski	its documented in that issue	10:10:05 PM
Martin Dougiamas	You don't need to let users use it rex	10:10:13 PM
Dan Poltawski	(Talking about the xss problem with login-as logout)	10:10:31 PM
Martin Dougiamas	I see this as just one or many possible analytics plugins	10:10:39 PM
Martin Dougiamas	"one of many"	10:10:46 PM
Martin Dougiamas	This plus new notifications in current mobile app -> interesting things	10:13:09 PM
mudrd8mz	Can any user subscribe to any event?	10:13:13 PM
mudrd8mz	ok	10:13:29 PM
danbennett	So in theory, it can alert me if a user turns off automated backups?	10:13:37 PM
mudrd8mz	cool, thanks	10:13:41 PM
Rex Lorenzo	So this is opt-in, not opt-out?	10:13:58 PM
nadavkav	Jetha, I have developed a generic renderer for any theme that display a popup quick menu everywhere their is a user's image: http://tinypic.com/r/wkk0nk/8 . What do you think about it?	10:14:03 PM
mudrd8mz	mudrd8mz thinking of things like "Admin clicked forgotten password link"	10:14:07 PM
danbennett	Looks good!	10:14:13 PM
mudrd8mz	Well ...	10:14:52 PM
mudrd8mz	nvm	10:15:00 PM
mudrd8mz	yeah	10:15:09 PM
danbennett	Awesome! I think this can be very handy for admins with crucial admin settings	10:15:16 PM
danbennett	(as well as the activities)	10:15:22 PM
nadavkav	can it monitor "too many security failed login exceptions" ?	10:15:31 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Will there be an event when a rule is created?	10:15:48 PM
Marina Glancy	And it will hopefully motivate devs to trigger events more often	10:15:55 PM
danbennett	No no I mean jujst the sit admins to subscribe to them smile	10:16:06 PM
danbennett	just*	10:16:06 PM
meetingroom	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ANDiY9mTrhaozSO07WmITJnGmscPxLhWemEXr0W7uV8/edit#	10:16:09 PM
Martin Dougiamas	yes more events, and it also lets you test events	10:16:29 PM
mudrd8mz	nadavkav: that's it, I am bit worried about eventual personal data leak or better, letting the hacker know that a good moment for their social engineering just came	10:16:37 PM
Ankit Agarwal	nadavkav: I think we already have a system that monitors failed logins etc, and sends reports to admin	10:16:51 PM
Damyon Wiese	Huh -the password is not test	10:17:25 PM
Dan Poltawski	:D	10:17:31 PM
mudrd8mz	big grin	10:17:37 PM
Ankit Agarwal	lol	10:17:46 PM
Dan Poltawski	someone hasn't learnt how to disable password policy in config.php :P	10:17:51 PM
nadavkav	I was considering various security exception events. not just failed logins (which is the first example that come to mind)	10:18:00 PM
Ankit Agarwal	rexlorenzo@gmail.com: Yup there should be events for all the major actions, like creating rules/subscriptions/ etc	10:18:22 PM
jetha	john, you didn't integrate my css ;_;	10:18:43 PM
Marina Glancy	There is a forum thread asking which events you'd like to monitor	10:19:29 PM
Marina Glancy	https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=261660	10:20:04 PM
mudrd8mz	Marina: "Site installed and awaiting for admin user setup" smile	10:20:17 PM
danbennett	danbennett posts *all of them* :p	10:20:19 PM
Rex Lorenzo	What is the link to the demo site?	10:22:20 PM
Martin Dougiamas	prototype.moodle.net	10:22:37 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Of course: http://prototype.moodle.net/reportbuilder/	10:22:47 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Can you join on entries from the Moodle logs?	10:23:18 PM
Martin Dougiamas	Events is about the live data stream. This API is the other half, how to extract state data cleanly from the database.	10:23:19 PM
John Okely	Any comments or suggestions https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=261049	10:24:31 PM
Martin Dougiamas	Rex: for old site logs table only at this stage	10:25:34 PM
Simon Coggins	there is one already	10:25:45 PM
Simon Coggins	for the old logs	10:25:51 PM
Simon Coggins	by the way we are working on some new features at the moment - user defined aggregation and graphical reports	10:27:09 PM
Simon Coggins	we can upstream them once the initial version is integrated	10:27:42 PM
jetha	ooo, graphical reports?	10:27:57 PM
jetha	i like graphics.	10:28:01 PM
Martin Dougiamas	Yes once we have this in core we can all build a lot on top	10:32:06 PM
Simon Coggins	Thanks guys, looks good smile	10:33:22 PM
nadavkav	It seems more complicated than the block/configurable_reports which we are using a lot	10:33:36 PM
John Okely	Thanks Simon!	10:33:44 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Epic: https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-44673	10:34:40 PM
John Okely	Nadav: configurable reports was considered during planning, but it was found too developer focused. It's a really good plugin though!	10:34:40 PM
Moodle Bot	https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-44673 - Gradebook push from HQ in 2014, V: 10, W: 33, Type: Epic, Assignee: moodle.com, Priority: Critical, Status: Open	10:34:41 PM
nadavkav	john, I agree.	10:35:05 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Check out the scrolling improvements at: https://github.com/alroman/moodle/tree/gradereport-table	10:35:44 PM
Michael de Raadt	Once the sources are in place in core, the potential for users will be really complete.	10:36:01 PM
Juan Leyva	well, my plan is to create a tool for migrating reports created using configurable reports to the new tool	10:36:01 PM
John Okely	That would be great, Juan	10:36:40 PM
nadavkav	Juan, +1	10:36:53 PM
Dan Poltawski	Martin: do we know where those other weightings came from??	10:38:06 PM
Dan Poltawski	s/weightings/aggregations	10:38:20 PM
Rex Lorenzo	https://github.com/alroman/moodle/tree/gradereport-table	10:39:09 PM
danbennett	Nice!	10:39:24 PM
nadavkav	this should also be implemented in assign grading page	10:39:31 PM
nadavkav	or at least some kind of full screen mode button	10:39:53 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Well, if you checkout the scrolling improvements, it is a full screen mode, if you scroll far enough	10:40:19 PM
Dan Poltawski	Dan Poltawski chuckles at gradebook bugs which have been around for a long time	10:40:50 PM
Rex Lorenzo	So I heard that this week is pet projects week. Is that right? What projects are in the works now?	10:41:01 PM
Damyon Wiese	They were listed in dev chat a few hours ago	10:41:43 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Grader report gif:	10:42:01 PM
Dan Poltawski	rex: https://moodle.org/local/chatlogs/index.php?conversationid=15915#c556610	10:42:30 PM
Damyon Wiese	(See chat logs)	10:42:40 PM
nadavkav	Will I be able to send a "mod/questionnaire" activity to a user?	10:43:11 PM
nadavkav	and not have him/her login to answer it	10:43:38 PM
Michael de Raadt	Possibly. The tricky bit will be interpreting the message content to get the information out of it.	10:44:19 PM
nadavkav	interesting	10:44:34 PM
mudrd8mz	On that note, there is a plugin to released soon - Emailed files	10:44:39 PM
danbennett	This is very nice.	10:45:40 PM
nadavkav	cool	10:45:45 PM
nadavkav	http://simplehtmldom.sourceforge.net/	10:46:20 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Does it clean up email it processes?	10:47:41 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Like deletes them?	10:47:48 PM
Dan Poltawski	I still think this is a 'risky' thing - i.e. some sites might not want to allow it. If you've got a https-secred site those 'private' details are moving through any intermediary mailserver	10:48:22 PM
Dan Poltawski	many people do secret things though email wink	10:49:23 PM
Rex Lorenzo	Nice	10:49:25 PM
Dan Poltawski	heh, you repeated it	10:49:30 PM
Dan Poltawski	Damyon: its different accepting a file on a server through a mailserver	10:49:40 PM
Rex Lorenzo	So in forum posts you have 15 mins to edit it	10:49:42 PM
Rex Lorenzo	How does that work with this? Do you still have 15 mins to edit once you post via email?	10:49:55 PM
danbennett	I think the biggest one is the files being uploaded which can be a bit sketchy, but I guess its up to that user thats sending it and it goes to their files anyway	10:50:32 PM
Martin Dougiamas	Sure rex	10:50:37 PM
danbennett	I know a few of our clients would love the feautre though so yay! 2.8! woo!	10:51:14 PM
nadavkav	please add a search filter by type, please smile	10:51:19 PM
Martin Dougiamas	Should we offer a cash prize for featured plugins?	10:51:45 PM
Damyon Wiese	Where do we send bribes?	10:52:02 PM
Bas Brands	At least a Moodle goody smile	10:52:07 PM
Dan Poltawski	nice cliffhanger :D	10:52:23 PM
Michael de Raadt	Cash money?! Have you seen that Progress Bar?	10:52:23 PM
John Okely	Damyon, I think the atto hr plugin is in the running already	10:52:32 PM
danbennett	moodler: hmm thats a thought! May need to ask partners though lol	10:52:35 PM
Bas Brands	Who will vote for them?	10:52:48 PM
jetha	man, that progress bar. top shelf!	10:52:50 PM
Sam Hemelryk	Good night everyone	10:53:28 PM
Damyon Wiese	Thanks	10:53:33 PM
Rajesh Taneja	gn	10:53:38 PM
Michael de Raadt	Night, all!	10:53:43 PM
danbennett	4pm here. Now to do more work... heh	10:53:58 PM
Davo Smith	night	10:54:01 PM
danbennett	Cya all! smile	10:54:03 PM
nadavkav	Beautiful list! Thanks smile	10:54:06 PM
Anthony Borrow	cheers	10:54:07 PM
Andrew Davis	good night folks smile	10:54:41 PM
mudrd8mz	bmbrands: for now, they are selected by HQ. We will involve community soon once the whole thing is set up and well established	10:54:51 PM
meetingroom	Cheers all ciao!	10:54:53 PM
Ankit Agarwal	Cya all !	10:55:50 PM

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