Developer meeting October 2014
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| Time | 13:00 UTC on Tuesday, 21 October 2014 |
| Meeting room | Live stream at YouTube |
| Chat | Regular dev chat |
| #moodledev | |
| Event page | Google+ |
This meeting will focus on the impending release.
The meeting will be streamed live on YouTube with chat through the regular Dev chat room and comments on Twitter.
Agenda
- Moodle 2.8 overview
- by Martin Dougiamas, see Moodle 2.8 release notes
- Inbound Message API
- by Andrew Nicols, MDL-46282
- String deprecation process
- by Marina Glancy and David Mudrák, MDL-46585, see String deprecation
- Assignment table restructure
- by Damyon Wiese, MDL-46171, see mod/assign/upgrade.txt
- Mobile App development news and roadmap
- by Juan Leyva
- Plugins directory news and roadmap
- by David Mudrák (plugins traffic blog, featured plugins)
- The future of MNet
- see MNet Roadmap
- Proposal for making the quiz continue to work when the internet connection drops
- by Tim Hunt, MDL-47688.
- Date/Time/Timezone cleanup
- proposed by Petr Skoda
Slides presented during the meeting
If you have something you'd like to add to this page, please edit this page or contact David Mudrák.
Meeting video
<mediaplayer>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc4rOo6Tu_o</mediaplayer>
Meeting chat log
| Andrew Davis | can someone post a link to the youtube channel? | 13:00:02 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Andrew, you and everyone else. | 13:00:04 UTC |
| danbennett | Andrew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc4rOo6Tu_o | 13:00:13 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | That was aimed at Andrew N | 13:00:15 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Developer_meeting_October_2014 | 13:00:15 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | timhunt: I guessed, but several of those are Must fixes | 13:00:29 UTC |
| Andrew Davis | thanks :) | 13:00:31 UTC |
| danbennett | *waves* it's live | 13:02:22 UTC |
| Sam Hemelryk | Hello! | 13:02:23 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | I hope david is not between HQ and developers | 13:02:56 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | hello | 13:03:05 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | But instead is a facilitator encoraging more communication betwene all developers | 13:03:20 UTC |
| *David Mudrák | hopes so | 13:05:06 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | We don't yet know how painful LTS will be. | 13:05:09 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | (or not) | 13:05:11 UTC |
| Tony Butler | Will this apply to the Assign grading sheet too? | 13:08:12 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | not yet (afaik) | 13:08:33 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | No not yet | 13:09:03 UTC |
| Tony Butler | Shame. On the roadmap though? | 13:09:21 UTC |
| Ruslan Kabalin | Heh, I can see Andrew N with his $CFG->beard=true | 13:09:43 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | Tony/Ruslan, next developer meeting we should have a group watching session :P | 13:10:23 UTC |
| Tony Butler | Ruslan also has $CFG->beard = true | 13:10:23 UTC |
| Mary Cooch | so the "Hacky admin setting "(quote) will be integrated into 2.8 imminently? | 13:10:30 UTC |
| Ruslan Kabalin | No in my case $CFG->beard = $CFG->wifelikesbeard :) | 13:11:32 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | ha | 13:11:44 UTC |
| Ruslan Kabalin | Dan P +1 to watching session ) | 13:12:21 UTC |
| *Dan Poltawski | will gets the beers :D | 13:12:35 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Wanting to do analytics does not requre a hard-to-use logging API. | 13:12:50 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | IN fact, it woudl be promosted by an easy-to-use API. | 13:13:00 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Ruslan has a beard!? | 13:13:16 UTC |
| Helen Foster | please can the hangout camera be set to the person presenting at the time | 13:13:55 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | It is... | 13:14:11 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | I'm watching it now on my iPad | 13:14:22 UTC |
| Helen Foster | currently it just detects who is making a noise | 13:14:27 UTC |
| Ruslan Kabalin | Andrew Nicols yep )) | 13:14:38 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | Who is taking over Michael's position? | 13:14:50 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Everyone except for HQ is muted | 13:14:51 UTC |
| Helen Foster | also the pictures of participants are obscuring the presentation | 13:14:52 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | tsala: we can't control that | 13:15:04 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Make your window taller though | 13:15:07 UTC |
| Helen Foster | yes you can | 13:15:09 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | Multiple people will be taking parts of my current role. | 13:15:18 UTC |
| Anthony Borrow | $newbeard->init() | 13:15:18 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Ah okay - speak to david then ;) | 13:15:22 UTC |
| Helen Foster | you can make the pictures go away by setting the camera focus | 13:15:30 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Some of us developer do not miss a conneciton with users. RRead the forums!] | 13:15:38 UTC |
| Helen Foster | David, in the hangout please could you set the focus of the camera to the person presenting | 13:18:21 UTC |
| meetingroom | should be now, we'll set them manually | 13:18:49 UTC |
| Helen Foster | ? | 13:19:04 UTC |
| Helen Foster | it just flicked to David | 13:19:16 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | its not doing that here | 13:19:27 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | Can this be used to handle email bounceback? | 13:19:34 UTC |
| meetingroom | Might have been a misclick | 13:19:35 UTC |
| Sam Hemelryk | Rex I believe so | 13:19:59 UTC |
| Helen Foster | presentation slides are still being obscured by pictures | 13:20:25 UTC |
| meetingroom | Absolutely, but there's not a handler for it yet | 13:20:34 UTC |
| Eric Merrill | I'm sorry if I missed it, but does the inbound handler screen out 'on vacation' type auto-replies? | 13:23:14 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | great question | 13:23:47 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | (77 watching the meeting) | 13:25:12 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | Hope it doesn't get into an infinite loop because of auto-reply type responses | 13:25:56 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | How many MTAs are well-behaving ;-) | 13:27:10 UTC |
| Bas Brands | David just held up a sign saying “Notebook Broken” :) | 13:27:28 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | Another use for this api could be email assign submissions (direct instead of through private files) | 13:27:42 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | Hopefully he'll be back soon. | 13:27:45 UTC |
| danbennett | I really want a smoothie now. | 13:28:01 UTC |
| Eric Merrill | I know that gmail sometimes give auto-replies | 13:28:02 UTC |
| Eric Merrill | from moodle forum emails - cause I get them | 13:28:14 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | we'll find this out quickly when we enable it on moodle.org :o | 13:28:24 UTC |
| Eric Merrill | :) | 13:28:34 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | What's the expiration date? | 13:29:48 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | Oh, attachments work as well? | 13:30:18 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | Its configurable for each handler | 13:30:23 UTC |
| Bas Brands | Pretty cool stuff. So this could turn Moodle into an email based student support ticket system I guess | 13:31:04 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | Mm, mail in your assignment | 13:31:26 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | "Are you still alive? Reply to this email if you are." | 13:31:59 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | Yes or yes | 13:32:12 UTC |
| danbennett | Cake or Death | 13:32:16 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | moodlebot: Did you see that? Someone said cake ! | 13:32:41 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | :| | 13:32:52 UTC |
| Moodle Bot | ankit: No, I missed it. Cake is a lie! | 13:32:52 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | :) | 13:33:01 UTC |
| danbennett | lol | 13:33:13 UTC |
| Bas Brands | Cool! Moodle MUD :) | 13:34:40 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | I used to MOO a *lot* back in 1980's | 13:34:48 UTC |
| Anthony Borrow | so Moodle,org can now email mojitos to everyone? | 13:34:57 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | One thing about all this is that it actually can improve accessibility a lot | 13:35:11 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | (that sounds like an admission of failure?!) | 13:35:24 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | Which library? | 13:35:37 UTC |
| Marina Glancy | mute David please | 13:35:54 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | Horde I think | 13:35:55 UTC |
| David Mudrák | Horde I guess | 13:35:56 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | eh? not at all, Dan. options are always good. | 13:35:58 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | No web interface will let you reply to a forum post notification faster than "reply" | 13:36:21 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | The email address is a one-time use, right? | 13:37:51 UTC |
| Marina Glancy | not necessary Rex | 13:38:05 UTC |
| Sam Hemelryk | Horde http://www.horde.org/ | 13:38:31 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | eg the one to send files to Private FIles is one you would add to your contacts and use it anytime | 13:38:33 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Rex: Nope - you can use them multiple times | 13:38:52 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | But a handler could disable it if you wanted | 13:39:02 UTC |
| Marina Glancy | https://docs.moodle.org/dev/String_deprecation | 13:39:13 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | So verp will be transitioned to this? | 13:39:26 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | (clap) (clap) (clap) | 13:39:32 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Verp doesn't work any more | 13:39:45 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | So that will need fixing too | 13:39:50 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | someobody switch the camera | 13:40:03 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | thanks | 13:40:10 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | (I guess you did it before I asked :)) | 13:40:16 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | I'm watching on my iPad and it's still showing me lol | 13:40:42 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Anyone know why hangouts would lose audio? | 13:41:02 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | It suddenly died for me. | 13:41:07 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | Hangouts are fickle. | 13:42:08 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | You can try reinstalling the Google plugin. | 13:42:19 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | In our meetings sometimes around 45 mins Google Chrome craps out and needs to restart | 13:42:34 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | Well I found hangouts doesn't work very well with chrome :D | 13:42:42 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | i'd just leave and come back | 13:42:43 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | http://www.losttheaudioofhangut_foreveryoneorjustme.com | 13:42:48 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Dan, tried that. | 13:42:57 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | you can catch up by watchng the 'live stream' :P | 13:43:04 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Also just tried switching to Chrome. | 13:43:08 UTC |
| danbennett | Eloy: hangut? sounds painfulk | 13:43:36 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | Then Eloy's link seems the only solution :P | 13:43:37 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | (heh) | 13:43:45 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | pretty sure I can hear tims office now | 13:43:55 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Yup - I just muted you Tim ; | 13:44:04 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | ;) | 13:44:05 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Ok, so mic is workng, but not headphones. | 13:44:11 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | :-( | 13:44:13 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | say something, tim | 13:44:24 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Dodgy headphone socket. | 13:44:34 UTC |
| jennymgray | I've asked them to be a bit quieter and explained why! | 13:44:43 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Ooh! it owrks if I have the plug only half plugged in. | 13:45:00 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | No, that is a simple common idiom! | 13:45:34 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | That's what she said. | 13:46:01 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Acutally, not with the group by | 13:46:02 UTC |
| *Andrew Nicols | is disturbed by michael's she! | 13:46:40 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | Sorry. I'd usually rely on Mark for such. | 13:47:42 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | There is echo | 13:48:31 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | I can hear him without issue | 13:48:54 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | It was there for a min or so | 13:49:05 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | Are these presentations going to be linked to on the notes/agenda? | 13:49:05 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | no echo here | 13:49:07 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | it is fine now | 13:49:08 UTC |
| David Mudrák | Rex: I'll ask people to send me them and will put them there | 13:50:06 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | this is the part of the presentation where Eloy can here exactly whats going on :P | 13:51:24 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | indeed | 13:51:33 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | only part of | 13:51:42 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | What's not going to work in 2.7? (in terms of missing web services) | 13:52:19 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | 2.8 Rex? | 13:53:23 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | or 2.7? | 13:53:25 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | they've just increased that limit, Juan (I think for all versions) | 13:53:41 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | Juan said that all required web services for the mobile app is in 2.8. But we are running 2.7, so I just wanted to know what's not going to work for us. | 13:54:05 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | 2.7 … because some features of the mobile app won't work without correposndent Moodle improvements in 2.8 | 13:54:06 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | Rex, install local_mobile, it's really safe | 13:54:20 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | no, i'm wrong - iOS8 https://developer.apple.com/library/IOs/documentation/NetworkingInternet/Conceptual/RemoteNotificationsPG/Chapters/ApplePushService.html | 13:54:46 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | That will add the needed web services in 2.7 | 13:54:51 UTC |
| danbennett | Is there a hawk? | 13:54:52 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | https://moodle.org/plugins/view.php?plugin=local_mobile | 13:54:54 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Dan Bennett: Juan is using Adium and the default soundset is to quack | 13:55:14 UTC |
| David Mudrák | Dan B: sounds like that :-) | 13:55:16 UTC |
| danbennett | Ah! Scared the life out of me with headphones on full! | 13:55:27 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | So that adds the missing stuff? Yeah, I thought that we needed to install local_mobile plugin regardless if we are running the latest version or not | 13:55:28 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | no it's just a filler plugin | 13:55:48 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | all the Moodle mobile features are migrated into core over time. But obviously apps get updated instantly, so this fills the gap | 13:56:38 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | If any of you know anyone using our app as a basis for development and not sharing back, please guilt them | 13:58:39 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | (same for webservices, Juan is practically the only person adding new webservices) | 13:59:46 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | applauses | 14:02:13 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | (y) (cool) (y) | 14:02:41 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | Personally I am really enjoying those interviews! | 14:05:03 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | (y) | 14:05:14 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | https://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=8149 | 14:05:31 UTC |
| Sam Hemelryk | Yay for automated releasing via github | 14:07:54 UTC |
| dave | \o/ | 14:08:05 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | But the same tools for automated checks for plugins will be used for core code as well, right? | 14:09:35 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | What's the best way to keep up with Plugin awards, interviews, etc.? | 14:09:37 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | ambitious roadmap, yuppi. | 14:09:46 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | 1024 is more than users can even parse, we need those ratings and other things to surface the most useful stuff | 14:09:58 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | I see an rss feed for featured plugins: https://moodle.org/plugins/browse.php?list=award&id=2 | 14:10:05 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | subscribe to the plugins traffic forum | 14:10:25 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | I read it via Flipboard | 14:10:29 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | I see it on twitter | 14:10:49 UTC |
| Anthony Borrow | it would be good if when a site registers we could see what plugins are actually installed in the wild | 14:10:52 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | ^ | 14:11:28 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | If you want people from Catalyst, pick a better time for them. | 14:11:55 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | At least once in a while. | 14:12:04 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | (y), stop treating us europeans so well | 14:12:27 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | LOL | 14:12:35 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Kristina Hoeppner, Aaron, Son,... | 14:12:48 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | +1... | 14:13:03 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Can we get a whole feature developed during this meeting? Can anyone peer review MDL-47791? | 14:14:02 UTC |
| Moodle Bot | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-47791 - Remove information about permissions from the top of the question editing form, V: 0, W: 0, Type: Improvement, Assignee: Tim Hunt, Priority: Minor, Status: Waiting for peer review | 14:14:02 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | ==> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/Cellar/php55/5.5.18 --localstatedir=/usr/local/var --sysconfdir=/usr/local/etc/
checking Oracle OCI support for PDO... yes checking Oracle Install-Dir... instantclient,/usr/local/lib checking if that is sane... yes checking size of long int... 8 checking for oci.h... configure: error: I'm too dumb to figure out where the include dir is in your Instant Client install |
14:16:12 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | lol | 14:16:29 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Client storage varies so much between browsers | 14:17:16 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Some browsers crash if you put too much in them | 14:17:23 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Where too much = 1MB | 14:17:28 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Safari IIRC | 14:17:32 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | And the other resources (js, and images) | 14:18:05 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | Not hard to require one browser | 14:18:16 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Shiny | 14:18:35 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | 'this is impossible' https://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=71136 :D | 14:18:38 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | True, but just wone to be arare of | 14:18:42 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | Would you have to store the correct answers? | 14:18:49 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | In the browser? | 14:19:07 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | How does that fit in with timed quiz sessions? | 14:19:41 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | Ah, good | 14:19:45 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | crazily possible, indeed. | 14:19:46 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Sounds awesome! :) | 14:19:51 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | or possibly crazy, lol. | 14:19:59 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | ;) | 14:19:59 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-47688 | 14:20:01 UTC |
| Moodle Bot | https://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-47688 - Use ajax + client storage so that users can continue to work on their quiz even if they lose network connection, V: 2, W: 2, Type: Bug, Assignee: Tim Hunt, Priority: Critical, Status: Open | 14:20:01 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | Yup! | 14:20:30 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | At least for this use case even a subset of tools and functionality can be useful enough. | 14:20:34 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | We tried it for Atto's draft storage | 14:20:36 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | But it had security issues for that purpose | 14:20:45 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | you need to off-store the whole attempt + some auth... | 14:20:58 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | I'm just glad the OU are once again attempting offline Moodle :P | 14:21:25 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | LOL | 14:21:32 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Thanks Dan. | 14:21:36 UTC |
| danbennett | Good luck, Tim! | 14:21:46 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Probalby no crazier than reply-by-email :-) | 14:22:01 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | With atto we had concerns about students getting other students text from browsers on shared computers | 14:22:06 UTC |
| Marina Glancy | quiz by email! | 14:22:14 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | if i can help... don't ask me (punch). | 14:22:18 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Damyon, yes. Will need a suitable unqieu key in client storage. | 14:22:28 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | For quiz, it will probably be quiz attemptid. | 14:22:37 UTC |
| danbennett | Yes marina! Quiz by email. Get on that tim! :P | 14:22:40 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | Mod choice by email sound doable | 14:23:09 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Also, I may use some basic encryption, but there is not much point if you need to be able to decrypt it on the client. | 14:23:20 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | I do! | 14:23:58 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | Once we have more implementations using logs, it will be clearer for people. | 14:24:13 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | More to copy. | 14:24:15 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | But any attempt to make the system simpler to use? | 14:24:46 UTC |
| Andrew Nicols | timhunt: Encryption in JS is hard to get right | 14:25:05 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | (y) | 14:25:20 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | Maybe some generic events that plugins can call? Like a generic user added this, deleted this, etc and you pass in the plugin name? | 14:25:22 UTC |
| Eric Merrill | I will say from a sys-admin point of view - it's worrying how big the new log table gets, but you can't use any of the reports that people care about if you move it to an external DB | 14:25:31 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | More to the point, we should try to get the next API we build right. | 14:27:39 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Whatever happened to the element library. | 14:27:46 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | ? | 14:27:48 UTC |
| Damyon Wiese | The element library wasn't right yet so we held off | 14:28:20 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | is there a case for a simplified api for things that really don't need such rich reporting | 14:28:22 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | recent examples: installing a langpack, deleting a spammer ;-) | 14:28:55 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | But that's really the point, we don't yet know what needs rich reporting and what doesn't | 14:28:59 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | assuming that rants are mainly about implementing them in mods... I think we could end with some "reduced" versions implementing the mandatory ones (view...) and then some simple "child" wrapper supporting 2nd level information in a generic way. | 14:29:05 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | well, these are really admin logs, not especially about educational data | 14:29:16 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | 2ndl level = forum->posts, assigment->submissions and so on. | 14:29:33 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | all them share a lot in common | 14:29:40 UTC |
| Eric Merrill | For reference about tables sizes. Under the new scheme, we are generating about 300GB of log table per year (extrapolated), whereas under the old log system it was about 20GB per year. I would prefer to move that content off of the prime DB, but if I do activity reports don't work. | 14:30:41 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | I really liked Martin's comment about separating the UI and backend with web services. Maybe that can be discussed in the future Moodle Moot hackfest in Aus? | 14:31:16 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | We need to wait and see what ES6 module system will cover | 14:31:43 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | Eric Merrill: *some of the reports | 14:31:47 UTC |
| Eric Merrill | That's why I said 'the reports people care about' :) | 14:32:10 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | :D | 14:32:16 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | yes, those reports should be made to work from external logs | 14:32:30 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | Well those reports needs to join multiple tables | 14:32:49 UTC |
| Martin Dougiamas | some of them could listen for events and keep their own tables | 14:33:18 UTC |
| Rex Lorenzo | Or some sort of big table structure? | 14:33:44 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | yesterday i had some discussions about that with SamH...
Since the beginning it has been clear that Moodle was not going to be a SIS, so we just should be providing communication paths to/from them. And we never have tried to implement SIS functionalities in Moodle. Not it's the time of reporting/mining/analytics/monitoring... I still don't get the point about we having to put all those tools/reports in Moodle at all. I mean, for me are really parallel cases. Far away from the education experience itself. Not 100% the same, but parallel (in my own vision of moodle). |
14:33:58 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | Yes we did that for some of the features (I think for recent activity or something from memory)
But some reports like stats really needs to join a whole bunch of tables together |
14:34:21 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Thaks David. | 14:35:22 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | that said, my vision does not invalidate the need to generate those rich logs, just not trying to "play" with them too much within moodle. | 14:35:23 UTC |
| Michael de Raadt | Thanks. Catch you later. | 14:35:23 UTC |
| Tim Hunt | Good meeting,. | 14:35:24 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | thanks everyone | 14:35:34 UTC |
| danbennett | Thanks all (Y) | 14:35:37 UTC |
| Marina Glancy | Thanks David! | 14:35:38 UTC |
| Ankit Agarwal | Thanks! | 14:35:46 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | hugs to all but dan. | 14:35:57 UTC |
| Helen Foster | good meeting David, thanks! | 14:35:58 UTC |
| Sam Hemelryk | thanks David, good job! | 14:36:07 UTC |
| John Okely | Thanks all! | 14:36:10 UTC |
| Tony Butler | Cheers | 14:36:18 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | se fini | 14:36:34 UTC |
| Mary Cooch | thanks david - excellent | 14:36:41 UTC |
| Dan Poltawski | finally, I can escape Eloy's hugs, yay | 14:36:49 UTC |
| Eloy Lafuente (stronk7) | (rofl) | 14:36:58 UTC |
| Andrew Davis | night all :) | 14:37:49 UTC |
| Ruslan Kabalin | Thanks David and everyone | 14:38:04 UTC |
| Sam Hemelryk | Night! | 14:38:09 UTC |
| David Mudrák | Thanks everybody for joining and giving your talks. | 14:38:26 UTC |
| Juan Leyva | thanks to you David | 14:40:57 UTC |
Questions from the audience
- How is Moodle HQ reacting to the developer community reaction to the new logging/event system? ( very many related threads)
- Does Moodle HQ have a response to Yahoo's recent announcement that it has removed support for YUI (discussed here)?
- Are there any goodies for the upcoming version of Moodle 3 that you are targeting in the long-term roadmap?
