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If you come to think about it, File synchronization is not needed for activities' student files (for any student files?): they have no "linking" behavior in 1.9, as opposed to teachers, so there is nothing they will miss with the change; they are used to "reselect and resend" when they need to update a file.
 
If you come to think about it, File synchronization is not needed for activities' student files (for any student files?): they have no "linking" behavior in 1.9, as opposed to teachers, so there is nothing they will miss with the change; they are used to "reselect and resend" when they need to update a file.
  
This page explains course files in general, but not files associated with the Quiz module. The Quiz module is different because it has a Question Bank (I assume in 2.0). So are media files associated with a particular Question (not quiz)?  Are media files backed up with the question item only?  How is versioning handled?  Now in Moodle 1.9, versioning of questions is handled manually. In our school, teacher save the question as a new question and put their name and date on the new question name. Crude and inconsistant, however.
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This page explains course files in general, but not files associated with the Quiz module. The Quiz module is different because it has a Question Bank (I assume in 2.0). So are media files associated with a particular Question (not quiz)?  Are media files backed up with the question item only?  How is versioning handled?  Now in Moodle 1.9, versioning of questions is handled manually. In our school, teachers save the question as a new question and put their name and date on the new question name. Crude and inconsistant, however.--Don Hinkelman
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: Note that, at least in principle, the question bank is independent of the quiz.
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: As with other parts of Moodle, images used in questions are associated with that question, so wherever that question goes, the images go.
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: There is code to back up all the questions used whenever a quiz is backed up. (Just like in Moodle 1.9.) (Thank you Eloy!)
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: Questions are not versionned, just like in Moodle 1.9. However, I am aware that this is a serious lack. It is on my list of things that need to be done to the quiz/question system in Moodle ([[Development:Goals_of_an_online_assessment_system]])). It is also on the OU's list of priorities for me to work on over the next 10 months - but it does come after two other substantial item. Anyway, but the end of the 10 month period I should have a clear design for how I think everything should work, even if it is not all implemented. I will, of course, be consulting as widely as possible about what to do. The trick is that the system has to be as simple and transparent as possible for teachers who don't want to worry about it, while still providing all the rich functionality that power-users need. My starting point is the history system in MediaWiki (here!). You don't need to know anything about it to edit pages, but the moment you do what it, it is just there, and easy to use. However, wiki pages are simpler than questions. Anyway, it's an interesting problem.--[[User:Tim Hunt|Tim Hunt]] 06:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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"As with other parts of Moodle, images used in questions are associated with that question, so wherever that question goes, the images go."
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Likewise with audio files and video files?  As language teachers we are using heavier and heavier files year by year. So I understand that instead of putting these files into the 1.9 "Site Files", now in 2.0, we will put them into a repository (I assume Moodle 2.0 has a default repository?) and then when we create a question in the Question Bank, we grab a media file from that repository. This copies the media file and attaches it to the question in the Question Bank. Correct? --Don Hinkelman
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: Sorry, replace 'image' with 'file' in what I wrote above. You currently have your terminology confused. In Moodle 2.0 Repositories are (mostly external) places where you select files from. Files inside Moodle are stored in the file pool (which is like this big computer-controlled warehouse that users can never enter) and linked to the content it belongs to through the files table. You manage the files in the file pool indirectly by editing the content the file belongs to. If you delete the link to an audio file in a question, then the corresponding audio file is deleted from the file pool (unless it is also used in other places). If you edit the question and change the audio clip, then the new clip is automatically added to the file pool and linked to the question. When attaching files to a forum post (or whatever) you get a little file manager to manage those attachments, and so on.--[[User:Tim Hunt|Tim Hunt]] 08:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

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If you come to think about it, File synchronization is not needed for activities' student files (for any student files?): they have no "linking" behavior in 1.9, as opposed to teachers, so there is nothing they will miss with the change; they are used to "reselect and resend" when they need to update a file.


This page explains course files in general, but not files associated with the Quiz module. The Quiz module is different because it has a Question Bank (I assume in 2.0). So are media files associated with a particular Question (not quiz)? Are media files backed up with the question item only? How is versioning handled? Now in Moodle 1.9, versioning of questions is handled manually. In our school, teachers save the question as a new question and put their name and date on the new question name. Crude and inconsistant, however.--Don Hinkelman

Note that, at least in principle, the question bank is independent of the quiz.
As with other parts of Moodle, images used in questions are associated with that question, so wherever that question goes, the images go.
There is code to back up all the questions used whenever a quiz is backed up. (Just like in Moodle 1.9.) (Thank you Eloy!)
Questions are not versionned, just like in Moodle 1.9. However, I am aware that this is a serious lack. It is on my list of things that need to be done to the quiz/question system in Moodle (Development:Goals_of_an_online_assessment_system)). It is also on the OU's list of priorities for me to work on over the next 10 months - but it does come after two other substantial item. Anyway, but the end of the 10 month period I should have a clear design for how I think everything should work, even if it is not all implemented. I will, of course, be consulting as widely as possible about what to do. The trick is that the system has to be as simple and transparent as possible for teachers who don't want to worry about it, while still providing all the rich functionality that power-users need. My starting point is the history system in MediaWiki (here!). You don't need to know anything about it to edit pages, but the moment you do what it, it is just there, and easy to use. However, wiki pages are simpler than questions. Anyway, it's an interesting problem.--Tim Hunt 06:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

"As with other parts of Moodle, images used in questions are associated with that question, so wherever that question goes, the images go." Likewise with audio files and video files? As language teachers we are using heavier and heavier files year by year. So I understand that instead of putting these files into the 1.9 "Site Files", now in 2.0, we will put them into a repository (I assume Moodle 2.0 has a default repository?) and then when we create a question in the Question Bank, we grab a media file from that repository. This copies the media file and attaches it to the question in the Question Bank. Correct? --Don Hinkelman

Sorry, replace 'image' with 'file' in what I wrote above. You currently have your terminology confused. In Moodle 2.0 Repositories are (mostly external) places where you select files from. Files inside Moodle are stored in the file pool (which is like this big computer-controlled warehouse that users can never enter) and linked to the content it belongs to through the files table. You manage the files in the file pool indirectly by editing the content the file belongs to. If you delete the link to an audio file in a question, then the corresponding audio file is deleted from the file pool (unless it is also used in other places). If you edit the question and change the audio clip, then the new clip is automatically added to the file pool and linked to the question. When attaching files to a forum post (or whatever) you get a little file manager to manage those attachments, and so on.--Tim Hunt 08:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)