Developer meeting August 2012

Developer meetings > August 2012 meeting notes

Time	13:00 UTC on Tuesday, 28 August 2012
Meeting room	Moodle Dev Meeting Course

In this meeting we focussed on activities outside Moodle HQ.

Invited speaker: Andrew Nicols (LUNS)

Andrew spoke about Lancaster University's move from Lotus Notes to Moodle.

Activity Chooser

• As part of this he wrote the new Activity Chooser, inspired by a the Quiz Bank Chooser.
• The Activity chooser is written using YUI and Moodle renderers. It is modular. Improvements in usability have been made.

Course page changes with JavaScript

• The LUNS team re-wrote the moving of sections and resources using drag-and-drop.
• They added the potential to rename activities on the course page.
• Hopefully the changes will make Moodle more resilient.

Barriers to implementation

• Andrew attempted to get feedback from HQ, devs and end users through multiple channels (Tracker, a demo site, posting in the General Developer and Usability forums, screencasts, Twitter, a demo at a General Developer meeting), but wished he had received more.
• Forums can be intimidating. Developer chat can be quicker and useful.
• A mentor scheme may be helpful in future.

Thanks to Andrew and others at LUNS for their efforts. Thanks for Dan Poltawski for helping as an intermediary.

Moodle 2.4 progress

• There will be a strict code freeze six weeks before 2.4 release, which is in six weeks time. Changes not in by that time will be delayed to 2.5.
• Performance is an area we are working. Sam Hemelryk is developing the Moodle Universal Cache (MUC). This will introduce a common caching architecture with three kinds of caching: static, session and shared.
• Course category management is another area that Sam is working on, but no progress has been made recently (forum).
• Barbara Romero is creating new icon sets that will be more consistent, clearer and more attractive.
• ForumNG is being reviewed as a possible replacement.
• iCal integration with the Calendar is ready to integrate.
• Course formats are being refactored.
• An audio/video recording repository was developed as a GSoC project and may be considered for integration into core.
• Collection module (to be called Survey) is about 60% done.

Hackfest

• We will have various groups of difference sizes.
• A general outcome will be to set the roadmap for the next few years.

Other business

• Tim is working on improving searching for students when enrolling into courses and required feedback (MDL-34657).
• The death of CVS is imminent. We will stop mirroring to CVS soon.

If you would like to correct these notes, please edit this page this page or email Michael d.

Meeting chat log

Paul Vaughan	14:54	Good afternoon. :)
Tim Hunt	14:54	That's weird. I cannot resize this Firefox window that has the BBB UI in.
Andrew Nicols	14:55	Hi Martin
Mary Cooch	14:55	bonjour
Andrew Nicols	14:55	Hey - I've got some slides instead
Andrew Nicols	14:55	Cheers
Andrew Nicols	14:55	Wooh magic
Tim Hunt	14:56	The new BBB UI is nicer than it was before
Andrew Nicols	14:56	Hopefully these will convert nicely - I've just checked them on our local insatllation
Andrew Nicols	14:56	Had some issues with bullet points etc
Helen Foster	14:56	not really, hmm
Mary Cooch	14:57	ooh! Andrew
Helen Foster	14:57	nice to see you Andrew!
Adrian Greeve	14:58	Should there be sound?
Mary Cooch	14:58	I can hear
Adrian Greeve	14:59	curses.
Davo Smith	14:59	what's the magic setting for enabling soud?
Andrew Nicols	14:59	Shouldn't be nything special afaik - I had to click 'Join Audio'
Helen Foster	15:00	sound preferences on your computer?
Andrew Nicols	15:00	Did he have his Theremin?
Tim Hunt	15:01	Is someone remembering to record this?
Tim Hunt	15:01	Ah, cool!
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:03	who is that long-haired guy? lol
Andrew Nicols	15:03	:p
Mary Cooch	15:03	it's lovely hair :)
David Mudrák	15:03	/me says hello to Andrew, Martin and Apu
Davo Smith	15:03	Yay - closing browser and reopening seems to have fixed the sound for me
David Mudrák	15:03	DISCO!
Andrew Nicols	15:03	It's a bit long at the moment
Helen Foster	15:03	I promised Michael d that I would write some meeting notes. Is it best to do so here or in the dev chat?
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:03	the main question is.. what's Moodle?
Helen Foster	15:04	+1 to lovely hair
Itamar Tzadok	15:04	hy
Gareth J Barnard	15:05	Hello :)
Paul Vaughan	15:05	Hi! :)
Martin Dougiamas	15:06	Nice to actually see you Andrew
Tim Hunt	15:10	That was very early in the cycle fo my learning JS.
Tim Hunt	15:11	Has that been integrated yet?
Tim Hunt	15:11	Sure, but please submit for peer review soon!
Mark Nielsen	15:14	To prevent the main window from scrolling, did you turn overflow to hidden on the body?
Helen Foster	15:15	what are toolboxes?
Helen Foster	15:15	ah, thanks!
Mary Cooch	15:17	nice
Martin Dougiamas	15:17	yes yes
Itamar Tzadok	15:17	About the chooser if there many modules there is scroll. So perhaps collapsibility of the two sections activities and resources
Tim Hunt	15:17	ForumNG needs an Ajax HTML editor too.
sam marshall	15:18	re htmleditor - consider iframe (I'm switching forumng from pure ajax to iframe for the editors)
David Mudrák	15:18	we all need it. it's the matter of core cupport for preparing draft areas AFAIK
Martin Dougiamas	15:18	Could drag and drop to change order, and it stays that way
Martin Dougiamas	15:18	yeah
Gareth J Barnard	15:18	Its a really good enhancement :)
Tim Hunt	15:19	It is really hard to get feedback.
Paul Vaughan	15:19	Andrew, what's your Twitter username?
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:20	that's coz you use the wrong language, lol.
Andrew Nicols	15:20	_andrewrn_
Paul Vaughan	15:20	Thx :)
Gareth J Barnard	15:20	Did you ask for a posting on MoodleNews?
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:21	(very good points, that slide ones)
David Mudrák	15:21	that's important feedback for HQ
Martin Dougiamas	15:21	:-( we don't want to be scary
Martin Dougiamas	15:21	BOO
Mary Cooch	15:22	thats a pity you feel that
Paul Vaughan	15:22	Releasing even a little block is scary!
Gareth J Barnard	15:22	Tim, Dan and Davo are really helpful in the developer forum :)
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:22	I'm scared what the hell you all eat @ LUNS, monsters!
Mary Evans	15:22	lol
Juergen Zimmer	15:23	sorry, also pretty new to moodle devel. Where do I find the developer chat? I keep bothering Tim ;)
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:23	monsters (developing, of course, lol)
Mary Cooch	15:23	anonymous forum -hmmm
Mark Johnson	15:23	Developer chat isn't very well advertised
Juergen Zimmer	15:23	Cool, Tim is my mentor then ;)
Gareth J Barnard	15:23	What's the link for Developer Chat?
Mark Johnson	15:23	you have to know its there and go looking for it
Martin Dougiamas	15:23	that last one has been on my wishlist for a while
Mark Johnson	15:24	http://moodle.org/local/chatlogs/info.php
Juergen Zimmer	15:24	thanks
Gavin Henrick	15:24	with your background in human interaction, what did you think about moving from 2 clicks to 3? from drop downs, to using the UI.
Tim Hunt	15:24	http://moodle.org/local/chatlogs/info.php
Steve Bader	15:24	I'm new as well, now I am a full time developer for Moodle for my University. New resources are great!
sam marshall	15:24	click +double click, innit?
Juergen Zimmer	15:24	"Sorry, but you do not currently have permissions to do that (View chat logs)"
sam marshall	15:24	new one
Rex Lorenzo	15:24	I get the same error
Gareth J Barnard	15:25	Thanks Mark, I don't have access, please could Contrib developers have access too :)
Martin Dougiamas	15:25	It's less decisions
Gavin Henrick	15:25	sam, yes, thats 3 :)
Tim Hunt	15:25	The problem with suggestions like anonymous forums, etc. is that they go against Moodle's pedagogy. https://docs.moodle.org/23/en/Pedagogy#Social_Constructionism_as_a_Referent
Mark Johnson	15:25	ah, you might need to be a core committer (?)
Gavin Henrick	15:25	try adding 1000 url resources, the extra clicks count
David Mudrák	15:25	IIRC Developers chat is open for Moodle contributors, isn't it?
sam marshall	15:25	3 clicks > 1 + double, imo :)
Tim Hunt	15:25	4. Useful to knowo someone's brackground if you are answering their question.
Helen Foster	15:25	Gareth, get in touch with me, I'll let you in!
Gareth J Barnard	15:25	Thanks Helen :)
Martin Dougiamas	15:25	Jabber to developers@conference.moodle.org
Helen Foster	15:26	or anyone else (until we automate access)
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:26	we also need planet.moodle.org to explode and accept more sources.
Davo Smith	15:26	I played around with adding mod_edit forms in an iframe
sam marshall	15:26	that form is monstrous, so I sincerely hope it doesn't get added in to the picker :)
Gareth J Barnard	15:26	How long did it take to create?
Davo Smith	15:26	I think it might be in contrib somewhere
Helen Foster	15:26	Martin what were you referring to "that last one has been on my wishlist for a while"?
Gareth J Barnard	15:26	Cool :) - testing is a *** espectially with IE
Mark Johnson	15:26	I've played with loading mforms via AJAX, it's doable but it's not pretty. I dont know if it's doable with TinyMCE
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:27	clap, clap, clap => Andrew
Paul Vaughan	15:27	Thank you Andrew. :)
Mary Cooch	15:27	applause
Sam Hemelryk	15:27	(y)
Helen Foster	15:27	really interesting, thanks a lot Andrew
Mark Nielsen	15:27	Thanks
Andrew Nicols	15:27	Thanks for listenig :)
Juergen Zimmer	15:27	thanks, interesting stuff!
Helen Foster	15:28	oh, shall I create one right away?
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:28	hope listening does no implies understanding, lol, slides really helped.
Gareth J Barnard	15:28	Yes please :)
David Mudrák	15:28	The problem with threads at moodle.org is that they become "down the screen" pretty quickly
David Mudrák	15:29	so announcing a new project there is tricky
Mary Evans	15:29	Thanks Andrew
Andrew Nicols	15:29	There was a question about moodlenews - I didn't know about Moodle News back then ;)
Gareth J Barnard	15:29	Would be cool if when you clicked on a thread it jumped to the last post in the forums.
Gareth J Barnard	15:29	Thanks Andrew :)
sam marshall	15:29	gareth 0 click the numbrt
sam marshall	15:29	number
Tim Hunt	15:29	If you click the number of unread posts, it takes you to first unread post
Helen Foster	15:30	there is a last post link
Gareth J Barnard	15:30	Did not know that - thanks guys & girls :)
Helen Foster	15:30	Dan is super!
Mary Cooch	15:31	Superdan
David Mudrák	15:31	I remember myself having difficulties with getting feedback on workshop spec in pre-2.0 times. it took weeks to gather useful info.
Tim Hunt	15:31	The main problem with dev chat is that only a limite dnumber of peple see it.
Mary Evans	15:31	I find dev chat is really difficult to manage i always end up with old logs
Mark Nielsen	15:33	Developer only forum?
Tim Hunt	15:33	MArk, General developer forum exists.
David Mudrák	15:33	isn't that GDF?
Martin Dougiamas	15:34	https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Roadmap
Mark Nielsen	15:34	More developer only though, less posts. Devs asking devs stuff...
sam marshall	15:34	GDF is mainly used by non developers imo :)
Tim Hunt	15:34	Shoudl sam H talk about htis?
Sam Hemelryk	15:35	I think I'm lined up to speak briefly about things
Tim Hunt	15:35	http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-25290
Mark Johnson	15:35	+1 on what sam said, GDF has a lot of questions from non-devs who ask there becuase it's active with lots of knowledgeable people
Mark Nielsen	15:35	Yeah, that's what I'm getting at
Andrew Nicols	15:36	yup
Mark Nielsen	15:36	Get some instant send forum posts, smaller audience - easier to follow posts
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:36	too loud
Adam Olley	15:36	its perfect
Adam Olley	15:36	everyone else was too quiet ;)
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:36	lol
Mike Churchward	15:36	What Adam said...
Adam Olley	15:36	(sorry eloy)
David Mudrák	15:37	Eloy: get a new Mac with the volume button (not that Apple-sexy but hey it works)  :-p
Tony Levi	15:37	its a partly magic bullet ;-)
Martin Dougiamas	15:37	https://github.com/samhemelryk/moodle/tree/wip-MDL-25290-m24-compact
Rex Lorenzo	15:37	what is the ideal server setup to take advantage of the MUC?
Tim Hunt	15:38	I guess it is a bullet, but you ahve to aim it yourself ;-)
Martin Dougiamas	15:38	3 kinds of caching ...
Helen Foster	15:41	static, session and ?
Andrew Nicols	15:41	you need to click publish
Sam Hemelryk	15:41	application
Martin Dougiamas	15:41	shared
Andrew Nicols	15:41	nope
sam marshall	15:41	no?
Mark Johnson	15:41	no :(
Mary Cooch	15:41	no
Tim Barker	15:41	no
Rajesh Taneja	15:41	no
Mary Evans	15:41	no
Helen Foster	15:42	application caching?
Helen Foster	15:42	thanks
Mary Evans	15:43	does Martin need to closed his screen?
sam marshall	15:44	Is there an example definition file? Maybe stick it on pastebin or something?
Sam Hemelryk	15:45	https://github.com/samhemelryk/moodle/blob/wip-MDL-25290-m24-MUC/lib/db/caches.php
sam marshall	15:45	interested but no time :( It sounds good though, & I know Tim looked at it.
Sam Hemelryk	15:45	Tim === legend (thanks once more Tim)
sam marshall	15:46	thanks for definition list, looking now :)
Mark Nielsen	15:46	Sam, when reviewing I thought that the idea of definitions were confusing. Would it make more sense that when I want to create my own cache, that I would extend some base class and then use my class for my cache?
Tim Hunt	15:47	Subclassing is a bad way to configure anything.
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:47	I'd declare all core impls as final to prevent custom extension
sam marshall	15:47	I had a question about multi-server systems. Is thre a way to indicate in definition or whatever that a certain cache can be stored locally on each front-end server & doesn't need to be invalidated
Mark Nielsen	15:47	It's not really a confugration IMO
Justin Filip	15:48	Sorry if this is in the Wiki but is the cached data being stored in DB or on the filesystem?
Mark Nielsen	15:48	Sam, how should I reach you
Tim Hunt	15:49	It is probably a 'local hard disc' cache back-end type.
Tim Hunt	15:49	No reason it cannot be added later, sam, I think.
Tim Hunt	15:49	That is sam m
Justin Filip	15:49	=) Got it. Cool, thanks.
sam marshall	15:49	thinking of junk like the config cache, strings, would be nice to reduce net requests is all.
Tony Levi	15:49	I did that, so xcache could be used between servers, it works nicely for lang cache
Sam Hemelryk	15:50	sam.hemelryk@gmail.com
Kris Stokking	15:50	Does this assume that there's a single cache backend being used for Application, Session, etc. caching?
Tim Hunt	15:51	Kris, each cache can use a different back-end
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	15:51	sure xcache can be used. no single, multiple allowed, each cache definition is associated with a chache instance (servers, configuration @ admin afaik)
Sam Hemelryk	15:51	Nope sorry
Sam Hemelryk	15:51	Kris: You can have several application back ends, there will be one used by default and you can map them for use etc
Kris Stokking	15:52	Right, but if I wanted to store certain session data on disk and other data in memcache, would an admin have the ability to configure that?
Tony Levi	15:52	I'm not sure the coherency problem has been dealt with yet
Mark Nielsen	15:52	You mean you can configure each definition to use a specific backend (potentially)?
Sam Hemelryk	15:52	Mark: Thanks for look at it btw, please do post on MDL-25290, certainly I'd like to hear more about what your thoughts were and perhaps look at how we can address issues like the definition confusion
Justin Filip	15:52	SVG? =)
Rex Lorenzo	15:52	Retinal display
Mark Nielsen	15:52	Sure thing Sam, I'll be able to elaborate some more
Sam Hemelryk	15:53	Year, each definition can make use of 1or more backends (they can be stacked to provide redundancy)
Sam Hemelryk	15:53	Great thanks Mark
Sam Hemelryk	15:53	Kris, yes that is the idea, providing the cache has a definition you can map it to any suitable backend
sam marshall	15:54	agree, wait for me to make it work in 2.3 :)
sam marshall	15:54	then look at it again, i hope
Mark Johnson	15:54	Yay ical!
Sam Hemelryk	15:55	Tony we had best have a chat about the coherency concerns, certainly the more complete we can make this the better
Gavin Henrick	15:55	not all of europe :)
Tony Levi	15:55	yeah, I need to actually set up the existing code and poke it with a stick first
Sam Hemelryk	15:56	Hehe great, please do, I'll be keen to hear how it goes
Tim Hunt	15:56	I have a small, but scary, proposed change for 2.4 that I would like to talk about.
David Mudrák	15:56	sorry, no mic here
David Mudrák	15:58	talking about plugins, there is this Plugins -> AMOS integration langing soon. Watch MDLSITE-1836 for progress
Gareth J Barnard	15:58	Updating plugins with the ability to 'undo' a version would be good :)
Anthony Borrow	15:58	what are the plans on getting stats on plugins for registered sites?
David Mudrák	15:58	Undo is tricky because of backups. And making full backup is tricky via PHP
Mark Nielsen	15:58	Yes :)
Tim Hunt	15:59	Why not use themes for that?
Gareth J Barnard	15:59	That would be cool as discussion on http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-35048
Mark Nielsen	15:59	Course formats currently cannot select the layout, themes can still theme the layout, etc
Rex Lorenzo	16:00	ticket for the course format changes?
Itamar Tzadok	16:01	I have suggested to automate creation of issue tracker and Moodle docs page upon approval of a new contributed plugin.
Justin Filip	16:03	Yeah, for any of those other projects in progress, can that page be updated with tracker / wiki links (where applicable)?
Rajesh Taneja	16:03	FYI: http://moodle.org/plugins/view.php?plugin=repository_mediacapture
Gareth J Barnard	16:03	I think that course formats should stick with layouts and reference 'base class' type themeing in core that themes could then 'inherit' from.
Rex Lorenzo	16:03	What did you mention about the Collection module?
sam marshall	16:04	feedback: if this is a survey/feedback/questionnaire module, Collection is not a very obvious name :)
sam marshall	16:04	ah, cool
Tim Hunt	16:04	Please may I talk about my user-searching feature?
Tim Hunt	16:05	Well, it is a 2.4 thing
Tim Hunt	16:05	Hopefully
Tim Hunt	16:05	I could edit the roadmap wiki page to add it there, thenit woudl fit onw on the agenda!
Mary Cooch	16:05	:)
Mary Evans	16:05	ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO ADD SOME NEAW THEME INTO 2.4 OR 2.5
Andrew Nicols	16:06	Did you guys ever move to Postgres?
Justin Filip	16:06	Is there an easy way for us to find issues in the tracker that have API changes? We've been getting bitten by changes to core APIs, removal of methods/functions, new APIs.
Tim Hunt	16:06	Justin, there is now an API cahnge label./
Rex Lorenzo	16:06	release notes have a good collection of changes
Helen Foster	16:06	justin, there is a api changes label
Tim Hunt	16:06	Also, in the code, look for upgrade.txt files.
Justin Filip	16:06	Excellent, thanks.
Tim Hunt	16:06	Like question/type/upgrade.txt
Helen Foster	16:07	https://docs.moodle.org/dev/Tracker_issue_labels
Tim Hunt	16:07	For chagnes to the question type API
Justin Filip	16:07	Are those upgrade.txt files written before a release or is that part of the release process?
David Mudrák	16:07	before
Tim Hunt	16:07	Justin, then should be writted whene the development is done.
Justin Filip	16:07	Perfect
Tim Hunt	16:08	If you make a comit changing an API, it shoudl get rejected in integration review if you have nto updated the upgrade.txt file at the same time.
Kris Stokking	16:08	I assumed you were a bit busy, but thanks! :)
Mark Johnson	16:09	yes
Andrew Nicols	16:09	yup
Mark Nielsen	16:09	yes
Tony Levi	16:09	yep
Paul Vaughan	16:09	Yep.
Martin Dougiamas	16:09	yes, though you sound english
Tony Levi	16:09	love it.
Mary Evans	16:09	:)
Tim Hunt	16:09	http://tracker.moodle.org/browse/MDL-34657
Tim Hunt	16:10	https://github.com/timhunt/moodle/compare/master...MDL-34657#L16R175
Andrew Nicols	16:11	Thanks Tim - seems like a great idea
Paul Vaughan	16:11	exact / fuzzy option - good idea
Helen Foster	16:12	I didn't find it applying to moodle.org but will look again
Gareth J Barnard	16:12	Chuffin Nora - a big change Tim!
Mark Nielsen	16:12	Anyone still interesting in that developer only forum?
Tony Levi	16:13	waho
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	16:13	Please announce CVS EOL for 2.x (<=2.5 ok, <= 2.4 perfect)
Tony Levi	16:13	that sorting code is scary
Tim Hunt	16:13	I personally think that is a bad idea. Developers need tot alk to users more, not less.
Tony Levi	16:13	i.e slow
Gareth J Barnard	16:13	I'm looking forward to the course format changes - please keep up the good work guys :)
Helen Foster	16:13	Mark, do you mean moderate the gen dev forum more?
Mark Nielsen	16:13	No, it's basically dev chat but a forum
Tim Hunt	16:13	Re API change lablel. See, for example, http://tracker.moodle.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=true&jqlQuery=labels+%3D+api_change
Sam Hemelryk	16:13	kill it
Mary Evans	16:13	I wonder if ther is a need to drop some old themes
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	16:13	idiot question, can the same application caches be shared between multiple sites? Can be really useful for partPlease announce CVS EOL for 2.x (<=2.5 ok, <=2.4 perfect)
Sam Hemelryk	16:13	kill it now
Andrew Nicols	16:14	Please kill it?
Justin Filip	16:14	*single tear*
Darko Miletić	16:14	A bit late to the call
Iñaki Arenaza	16:14	Yep, I'm collecting CVS stats on our server
Anthony Borrow	16:14	lang 1.9 still uses cvs
Mary Evans	16:14	we could do with the ability to add images into theme via settings page
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	16:14	I'm interested only on core. feel free to keep langs/contrib
Gareth J Barnard	16:14	Odd question, why Git and not Mercurial?
David Mudrák	16:15	sorry?
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	16:15	lol, gar
Gareth J Barnard	16:15	Ok ;)
Itamar Tzadok	16:15	Contributed plugins: tie newly approved to docs page and issue tracker automatically
Iñaki Arenaza	16:15	Gareth It's all Martin Langhoff's fault!!!!
Gareth J Barnard	16:15	ROFL
Gareth J Barnard	16:15	I've grown to love Git, now use it in other projects too :)
Martin Vögeli	16:16	tim & mary: can we have a chat about MDL-31365 after the main chat?
Sam Hemelryk	16:16	Mary had a feature request for admin settings being able to deal with files
Mary Evans	16:16	yes
Mark Nielsen	16:16	File upload? Yes, we would like that as well!
Gareth J Barnard	16:16	Plus thumbs up for Mary Coochs' Git help :)
Sam Hemelryk	16:16	Everyone would love that I think
Martin Vögeli	16:16	cool :)
Martin Vögeli	16:17	tim? it won't take long...
Andrew Nicols	16:17	Thanks all - and thanks to HQ for staying up til stupidly late :)
Gavin Henrick	16:17	thanks
Tim Hunt	16:17	Thank you
Gareth J Barnard	16:17	Thanks :)
Mike Churchward	16:17	Bye everyone.
Mary Evans	16:17	Thank YOU!
Paul Vaughan	16:17	Ta all.
Mary Cooch	16:17	thanks
Iñaki Arenaza	16:17	Thanks
Mark Nielsen	16:17	thanks
Kris Stokking	16:17	Thanks everyone
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	16:17	(finger)
Justin Filip	16:17	Thanks
Itamar Tzadok	16:17	Thanks
Mark Johnson	16:17	Thanks, bye!
Paul Vaughan	16:17	Nite!
Sam Hemelryk	16:17	Morning everyone
Rajesh Taneja	16:18	ciao
Andrew Nicols	16:18	Yup :)
Eloy Lafuente (stronk7)	16:18	ciao :-)
Tim Hunt	16:18	Anyone who cares about black-board question import, you owe Jean-Michel Vedrine
Rossiani Wijaya	16:18	byee
Tim Barker	16:18	night